Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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youngr
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Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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For the big summer competitions of 2014, Britcon Manchester and Koblenz Germany, I plumped for the late Savoy army list from Duty & Glory; something completely different for me. Not an A list army but has its good points. After months of researching, painting and practising with the army I eventually came up with a list and tactics that would suit me. I went for an 800pts list with 14 BG’s as follows:

4 TC’s
1 superior Savoy Guard foot, 5 musket-bayonet/1 pike
1 superior Bavarian Guard, all musket-bayonet
7 average Savoy/Mercenary foot, 5 musket-bayonet/1 pike
2 average Huguenot foot, 5 musket*IF-bayonet/1 pike
1 average Medium artillery
1 average dragoons, 4 bases
1 average DH, unarmoured pistol/pistol

The main feature of this army is the width and shooting power. Also, the detached shot/pike version with 1 x 4 pike, 2 x 6 musket-bayonet, 1 x 8 musket-bayonet meant I could hope to dominate any terrain. I spent ages working out deployment versus mounted armies always ensuring I had a general and rear support to maintain cohesion in any shooting match.

I made notes and took a couple of photos of each game with the idea of doing a write-up. However, as it makes depressing reading I’ll not bore any readers with the details. Officially, I came 4th from bottom at Britcon but only because I had a bye for game 4. If I had been given half of the bye points – as seems more fair – then I would have come last. I also came bottom at Koblenz. Am I really that crap? Errr Yes :D I’ve now been at or near the bottom in singles competitions for 3 years. Sigh.

As the games went, wherever I attacked in strength versus weaker forces, I failed to make a decisive breakthrough in any of my games. Either my shooting dice let me down and/or my opponent inevitably passed his saving rolls. I often did start to make progress but it was slow and always too late. Wherever my opponent had the advantage in numbers/quality then I’d usually collapse quickly instead of holding out. My dice were often average but in most of my games, my opponent rolled much better dice than me at crucial points. In only one game (in the last Britcon game against Simon Clarke’s West Sudanese) were my dice much better. We say the dice average out over time and I suppose so as I always do ok in practise games or doubles tournaments and I am a whirlwind when it comes to Ludo :) Prior to Britcon, I had a practise game with the Savoy versus Charles Masefield’s Later Spanish and I won 25-0. My dice were awesome, Charles’s were truly crap.

In 11 games, I had 5 instances when my steady musket/pike were charged straight up by cavalry. 4 times my opponents broke through making the game decisive in their favour. The 1 instance they failed was Simon’s Tuareg allies. There were several other memorable moments.

For instance, a long line of foot versus Ray Boyle’s Anglo-Dutch. Long range, 17 dice, all hitting on 4’s – first round I get 5 hits, second round I get 1 hit! Ray’s dice are average and I lose several bases on death rolls :(

Another was the penultimate game at Koblenz. I really thought I had the best chance for a big win here versus a very small but tough Early Swedish. On my right I had 5 foot units all average with rear support and 2 generals versus 2 superior Swedish brigades with 1 general and no rear support. He also had 4 heavy guns way back on a gentle hill. By the time I got into long range musket fire I’d lost 3 of my units, losing 9 cohesion tests in a row and 6 bases on death rolls. The battle on my left didn’t fare any better despite being in an even stronger position. The Swedes didn’t even need to get into contact for me to lose! The last game proved even worse with me losing 0-25 and summed up the whole month.

Despite my frustration in many of the games, I actually did enjoy both weekends, everyone was friendly, the atmosphere and organisation were great. It’s just losing game after game proved too much by the end of Koblenz. I’m now at a point where I don’t trust my dice at all in single competition games and feel that my opponent will always do better. I know its not just down to dice and I do make errors but not so much that I lose so often and so decisively. I must have done something very bad in a previous life – shagged the Duke of Savoy’s wife perhaps?? All that time and effort with zero results. I reckon I’ll stick to Snap in future.

Cheers

Richard
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

Post by daveallen »

Not a bad army Richard, in fact fairly similar to the ones that gave me a hammering at Koblenz. My problem and I suspect yours arises from the large proportion of average troops.

For example - an undamaged armoured keil of 14 bases with a general charges into 4 bases of MF. I win the impact, the MF disrupt and lose a base. In melee I have 5 dice at + with a general, against 2 at -. Inevitably, I lose 2:1, disrupt and the general is killed, the keil breaks on a double one! :shock:

This is just the most laughable example of a trend over the weekend that ran from table biting frustration on the Friday to detached amusement by game six.

I think if we have to rely on average troops then we need more than 15 BGs. Maybe something like the Sudanese you pionered...

Dave
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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Dont give up Richard. The Competition circuit would be a poorer place for your absence.
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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[quote="youngr"] I must have done something very bad in a previous life – shagged the Duke of Savoy’s wife perhaps.quote]

Perhaps if you had done a better job with the young lady the troops would have performed better .......

I played Richard in the nemesis game as outrageous luck gifted me game 6 last year. Guess what happened! Yes .... same again. Charged the P+S with cuirassiers and broke them up including one memorable occasion when Richard had loads more dice, poas and still broke.

I dont know what to say other than "don't go"! When it all comes good the payback will be back to back stuffings of Alasdair, John, Don, Dave, Ben and Kevin in quick succession to lift the Britcon Bounty. Maybe 2015?

HH
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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Richard,

I have already offered to play you as on the right day my dice are dreadful as well and you will win.

Bob
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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viking123 wrote:Richard,

I have already offered to play you as on the right day my dice are dreadful as well and you will win.

Bob
Sounds good to me but I reckon we should use only dice with 5 & 6's on them!!! Make for a quick game and no dice rage either :D

I will be partnering Mr. Masefield at the doubles in Abingdon next month so see you there. Goodness knows what we will bring but it won't be conventional that's for sure.

Cheers

Richard
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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spotteddog wrote:
youngr wrote: I must have done something very bad in a previous life – shagged the Duke of Savoy’s wife perhaps.quote]

Perhaps if you had done a better job with the young lady the troops would have performed better .......

I played Richard in the nemesis game as outrageous luck gifted me game 6 last year. Guess what happened! Yes .... same again. Charged the P+S with cuirassiers and broke them up including one memorable occasion when Richard had loads more dice, poas and still broke.

I dont know what to say other than "don't go"! When it all comes good the payback will be back to back stuffings of Alasdair, John, Don, Dave, Ben and Kevin in quick succession to lift the Britcon Bounty. Maybe 2015?

HH
Hahaha :D

2015 bi-centennary of Waterloo? I'm sure I will be at Britcon and if Germany is back on the calendar then definitely that as well. Thinking of an army with only superior cavalry and charging at anything/everything........bound to win 20% of the time? A vast improvement then :lol:
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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And there was me thinking that I pioneered the West Sudanese!!
John
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

Post by urbanbunny1 »

Hi Richard,

you might find going with an army with a few more superior foot in it will survive. The LoA is a tough little army as it has more superior foot in it.

I've run the Savoy as well, as well as other primarily average armies and they are tough. Six packs become very vulnerable once they have lost a base and we all know what happens when you get have to roll anything other than a one for a death roll.....

Simon
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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urbanbunny1 wrote:Hi Richard,

you might find going with an army with a few more superior foot in it will survive. The LoA is a tough little army as it has more superior foot in it.

I've run the Savoy as well, as well as other primarily average armies and they are tough. Six packs become very vulnerable once they have lost a base and we all know what happens when you get have to roll anything other than a one for a death roll.....

Simon
Thanks Simon. I'll give it a go once I've got the Savoy out of my head!!!
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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marshalney2000 wrote:And there was me thinking that I pioneered the West Sudanese!!
John

You are probably right John though I did use the Bornu/Tuareg in Warfare way back in 2011 and did quite well.

Cheers

Richard
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

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Well we will not take the hump about who used camels first!!
John
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Re: Savoy Army Campaign August 2014

Post by BrendaM »

Hi,

I have considered this army, too, and came up with this line-up, which I'm hoping to take to the Abingdon "doubles" at the end of October:-

- Command: 3 x TC
- Savoy Guards (superior)
- Bavarian Guards (superior)
- 4 Ordinary Foot (average)
- 2 Hugenot/Impact Foot (average)
- 1 Dragoon (average - 3 bases)
- 4 Det Horse (average/unarmoured)
- 2 Artillery (average - each 2 bases of Med Guns)

I haven't played with this yet, so I would be interested in anyone's thoughts - especially about the cavalry element as this is more numerous than Richard's horse. I do like the idea of separating the pike/shot for 2 of the ordinary foot BGs and think I will go with this.

One question - do the Bavarian Guards/Line get a regimental gun, as they do in the German States army list? If so, it might be better to take the maximum two Bavarian Line (plus the Guards), rather than the Hugenot Impact, and drop one of the cavalry BGs.

Thanks.
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