The RAF and the RN

[MightyG]

Is it just me or did the british surgically implant a horse shoe in the rear end of every man in these services? I know british had a slight advantage in fire power in their planes, but the Bf109 was still better.IN sea lion 40 I can match 4 planes against 1 spitfire,i can destroy it but all 4 planes get mauled.Over strenghted units at that.My submarines rarely evade,thiers always seem to.luck usually swings both ways,but it seems like it always swings their way on naval and air battles.Is there a defense bonus because the units are massed?I don't think the german air support is realistic.If you want a descent core force you cant build a huge air force.If I were to invade England I,d take every plane available.France is defeated and Poland no longer exists.Where is the luftewaffe?

[Mark50]

The British fighters are over-performing in the Sea Lion scenario because you`re probably engaging them close to the radar stations. They get an initiative bonus when they`re under their cover.

[MightyG]

that makes sense.thanks.Where do find that kind of info?I thought I scoured through the manual pretty well,but I didn,t see that.

[Mark50]

In game go to Library->Unit Classes->Structure. The second half of the paragraph refers to radars. In the game`s manual (the one from the game folder) is the same text I think under Structures. It`s a pretty annoying thing in game if you`re on the other side. I`ve recently replayed Sea Lion `40 btw and mostly managed to get the aerial supremacy by fighting the RAF further from the shores.

[MightyG]

I've been playing this game for about 20 yrs.I always chose a MV in france so I could get a couple more scenarios.When I didn't get the option to go to crete I realized the campaign path was different than I was used to.This was my first encounter with radar towers.Do the capital ships give an initiative bonus to planes?It seems like capital ships help transports defend against air attacks.thanks for the info Mark50

[Mark50]

I've been playing this game for about 20 yrs.I always chose a MV in france so I could get a couple more scenarios.When I didn't get the option to go to crete I realized the campaign path was different than I was used to.

For the campaign path go to Library->Campaign. There`s a chart there explaining how you get to where.
With the exception of the fact that you now have three scenarios in the US (which are relatively nice too) instead of PG`s Washington, the PzC campaign compares poorly to the one from PG in my view. You have one instead of two scenarios in Poland, there is no possibility to use your prestige to get a Sea Lion plus (the italian fleet), the Balkans scenario has morphed into a smaller Greece scenario, there is no Crete scenario (Sevastopol as a separate scenario is missing too) and you have no option to go to north Africa. If you want to play in Africa at all you need to buy the Afrika Korps expansion and that`s a separate campaign actually. Overall, the PzC scenarios also seem to have less units and smaller maps so they play somewhat different. If you want more details you`ll probably have to get the DLC scenarios (there`s a Crete there as far as I remember), but the Axis Grand Campaigns come with some surprises of their own (it`s up to you if they`re nice or not). Also, check the modding section. Some of the modders have recreated the PG scenarios in PzC.

Do the capital ships give an initiative bonus to planes?It seems like capital ships help transports defend against air attacks.thanks for the info Mark50

Not as far as I am aware. You`re welcome!

[MightyG]

I got DLC 39-42 when I got the base game.I had found the campaign tree for that , but it didn't occur to me that the campaign path had changed.I didn't come to the forum until I had a couple of WTF moments.For me the war is in Europe.I rarely went the Africa route.If I were an evil sociopath bent on world domination I wouldn't have let the BEF escape.THen I would have pushed to the Med before making peace with the French.then you could really hit Africa running.Brits would make peace before losing their hold on themed, if Dunkirk didn't convince them already.then Russia.IT would probably be to complicated,but I'd like to decide when I make peace and who I go to war with.Diplomacy is too important to be left to the diplomats!

[MightyG]

I started a new campaign and built my core to have 5 experienced fighters rather than 4.upgrading all my fighters helped a lot with sea lion.Knowing about the radar towers helped as well.THat spitfire still gave better than it got though.IT seems like a ships passive air defense applies to air and naval units next to ship.It still seems like british destroyers perform better than mine even though the stats are the same.They can do well against capital ships and mine do more damage to them selves than any capital ship.I guess the old submarine evasion spoiled me.I just cant be as aggressive with them as I once was.I expect my navy and air force to get beat up,but I didn't realize those radar towers would make so much of a difference.I had always thought that if sea lion was so easy the germans would have done it themselves.Now that I understand why its harder I like the addition of the radar towers.

[MartyWard]

I started a new campaign and built my core to have 5 experienced fighters rather than 4.upgrading all my fighters helped a lot with sea lion.Knowing about the radar towers helped as well.THat spitfire still gave better than it got though.IT seems like a ships passive air defense applies to air and naval units next to ship.It still seems like british destroyers perform better than mine even though the stats are the same.They can do well against capital ships and mine do more damage to them selves than any capital ship.I guess the old submarine evasion spoiled me.I just cant be as aggressive with them as I once was.I expect my navy and air force to get beat up,but I didn't realize those radar towers would make so much of a difference.I had always thought that if sea lion was so easy the germans would have done it themselves.Now that I understand why its harder I like the addition of the radar towers.

If you can't destroy the radar stations before you attack air units you can bombard them with your navy to disrupt them before you engage in the air. They are less effective then and it may save you from attacking them with some of your air units so you can kill the Spits faster.

[MightyG]

Thanks marty.I"m so intent on getting rid of enemy ships I never thought of suppressing them.I'm in Russia right now.I might play the sea lion scenario again to see how suppressing them works for me.

[Razz1]

The secret is to sand bag it.

Hold back a turn or two. don't advance too much then you can pick on their air and naval units.

After that, make a mad dash to land your units before they get bombed to death.