Wierd Melee Situation

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Wierd Melee Situation

Post by BrianC »

Hey Guys,

Well I am finally at the point where I feel comfortable with the rules including complex melees which is nice. I want to thank you guys for the help with questions and answers it was a huge help having this site in dealing with the learning curve.

I did a solo playtest last night and ran into a situation that I was hoping I could get some knowledgable feedback on. I was fighting the Roman and Carthaginian starter armies and the melee started with the Spanish cavalry meleeing with the Roman. Then Some light horse jumped in and a BG of Triarii then some more LH hit the Triarii in the flank as shown in the following pic


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I was trying to see what skirmishing cavalry could do in melee and this legitimately happened within the scope of the game. They basically hit on 5s and did little although if they get lucky they can and did get 2 hits. So I can see adding them in future but not alone as once they get stuck in against cavalry they are done. So when the LH and Triarii hit I turned the appropriate base and fought the impact.

Finally the Romans did defeat the Spanish BG and the LH fighting the Triarii got a bloody nose and did not re-engage after its break off, and were left with the lone LH on the left and here is the situation.



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Its the Carthaginian's turn and this is the melee phase. My question is do the Romans fight with 1 base this melee then conform in their next (Roman) maneuver phase?

I was thinking they can feed 1 file into the melee which would be the 2 cavalry on their right with the commander in behind. This file would move to the bottom left in contact with the rightmost LH and now be facing left in contact.

The top left Roman cavalry could then not do anything nor fight as 1 file has already been fed into melee and it cannot turn to conform because it is not its turn to do so.

If the right file could not be fed in for some reason then could the top left Roman cavalry base turn 90 deg and be fed in? In this specific case can this be called feeding a melee or is it strictly a conform issue. I mean the top left Roman cavalry base, if its in contact but facing a different direction than an enemy meleeing it. If it is not facing another enemy can it be fed as above or must it conform in its own maneuver phase, thus not fighting for one turn? Even though it is in contact it is not in a position to provide combat dice through either combat or POA for overlap. So I would guess that it could turn and be considered to have been fed into melee?
Thanks for any comments.

Brian
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Post by hammy »

It looks like you did everything correctly. I assume you remembered the fighting in two directions - POA for the cavalry and triarii.

The final situation is covered in the reforming rule on P70. Your cavalry have the option of reforming to face the light horse in either players turn.

I think that the reform would put your cavalry into a 2 by 2 formation facing the LH. Even if it put you into a 1 by 4 formation (which would be pretty perverse) then you could expand to meet the overlap and either way the LH would be in big trouble.
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Post by BrianC »

Hey Hammy,

Thanks for the reply. I did include the fighting in 2 directions modifier for both Roman BGs. The close combat actually lasted over 9 turns.

Thanks for the rules pointer. I just looked in the Conforming to the enemy in close combat section. I'll have to add a pointer to the reference above in the section. But I must admit it does make sense. I was thinking about it and couldn't logically think why the Roman BG would not turn regardless whos turn it was. I mean if it had no other enemy or threats would it not turn and try to destroy the LH?

We're doing an 800 point game on Friday so it should be fun. We are now getting games done in under 3.5 hours rather than 5 : ). Once you stop diving into the book every 10 minutes it really speeds things up.

Thanks

Brian
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Post by domblas »

can the LF charge cavalerie or HF even on flank?
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Post by domblas »

sorry not the LF but the LH
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Post by BrianC »

I believe LH can charge anyone in the flank or rear but they don't make them drop a cohesion level. I think its only LF that cannot charge any non skirmisher in open terrain. I was basically testing out what they can do in melee etc. From what I found they do add dice but chances are low of them doing much. Not sure if its worth the risk as once they are in melee against Cav they are stuck in till its concluded which can lead to unfortunate results for the LH


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