Halibutt and his toys

[Halibutt]

A list of Polish equipment available already:

Infantry:

1. Polish infantry pack by Guille
2. Mountain infantry (Podhale Rifles) by Guille
3. Paratroopers by puma

Armoured units:

1. Armoured train: skinned vanilla and completely new icon
2. Armoured Ti3 train engine
3. Renault R-35 by Guille
4. wz. 29 armoured car: plain and with camo
5. wz. 34 armoured car by guille
6. FT-17 by bebro (skinnable)
7. 7TP tank (vanilla skinnable)
8. 10 TP tank
9. 25TP heavy tank
10. Skoda T21 medium tank (Czechoslovakia)
11. TKS tankette

Transport:

1. C2P artillery tractor
2. C4P artillery tractor
3. C7P artillery tractor: version 1 and version 2
4. Civilian Mercedes 3000
5. Polski Fiat 508 "Łazik"
6. Polski Fiat 621L by Gary Childress and another by Halibutt
7. Praga RV truck
8. Ursus A truck
9. wz. 34 halftrack

Special units:

1. AA searchlight
2. Polski Fiat 508 "Łazik"

Aircraft:

1. PWS-10 recon
2. PZL P.11c: by Halibutt, by Bebro, by nikivdd and by dragos (Romanian)
3. PZL.23 light bomber - see links for PZL P.11c above
4. PZL.30 Żubrmedium bomber
5. PZL.38 Wilk heavy fighter
6. PZL.50 Jastrząb fighter (plus two versions by guille)
7. PZL.53 fighter
8. PZL.55 fighter
9. Hawker Hurricane Mk. I
10. Morane-Saulnier MS-406 (+lighter version by rezaf)
11. Supermarine Spitfire Mk. I
12. Potez XXV
13. Fokker F.VIIB/3m transport plane

Navy:

1. ORP Grom
2. MTB

In my spare time I'm slowly working on a Polish campaign. I plan to make it as historically-accurate as possible (battalion level, no overpowered Germans, terrain based on historical staff maps, 1 hex = 1 km), which basically means that the mod might take ages before it's ready. In the meantime I could post some of my work here for all of you to comment (and re-use if needed).

First, the reworked vanilla TKS. I didn't like the non-historical checkerboard used in vanilla icons (and in many user-generated ones too).


I used the same historical 1935 camo pattern for the vanilla armoured train too. It looks more Polish that way:


Another one is a TKS armed with a 20mm FK HMG. This one too is basically a vanilla icon with a longer barrel and the checkerboard removed.


And finally the TKS-D tank destroyer (basically a TKS tankette with a 37mm bofors AT mounted on top). Yes, in reality it was this crude. But it was also a pretty decent idea: the crew could disassemble the gun, hide it in the bushes and use it as a typical AT gun, or fire directly from their vehicle.

[Halibutt]

Oh, and to give you a glimpse of the mapmaking process involved in a decent 1:1 map, here's the city of Cracow (WIP) from my Silesia 1939 map, using
Massi's custom tiles and whatnot.



So far I have one map 100% complete (Mlawa 1939), one 70% complete (1938 tank manoeuvres near Przemysl), one 50% complete (Silesia) and a couple ideas. It's still a long way to go...

[captainjack]

It's quite an achievement making those Polish tankettes look like they'd be fun to play. Well done

I've known about the 20mm versions for a while (when I was trying to find out whether these tankettes were as annoying in real life as in the game) but hadn't come across the 37mm version before. From what you described, for game purposes the 37 would be switchable between ground mounted and tankette versions, although you could view it as AT with armoured transport. Very neat.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I think that the "checkerboard" actually is historical: http://www.aircraft-insignia.com/page20.htm (scroll down to Poland).

Also, good luck with the mod (I was thinking of something similar a while ago, where you eventually lead Poles in North Africa and Italy, but scrapped it for something else - probably Kaiserschlacht)

- BNC

[Halibutt]

It's quite an achievement making those Polish tankettes look like they'd be fun to play. Well done

Thanks

I've known about the 20mm versions for a while (when I was trying to find out whether these tankettes were as annoying in real life as in the game) but hadn't come across the 37mm version before. From what you described, for game purposes the 37 would be switchable between ground mounted and tankette versions, although you could view it as AT with armoured transport. Very neat.

Yeah, that's the whole fun of tankettes: they're fast, easy to hide and versatile. While not a match for any decent tank, imagine targeting something the size of a Mini Morris driving full speed across rough terrain. Actually the direction Poland was going with the tankettes in 1939 was pretty unique, I wonder where would it lead if it wasn't for the invasion.

BTW, the 20 mm tankettes Poland did manage to complete before the war fared pretty well. A well-described fight by one tankette platoon (1 TKS 20mm and 2 TK-3) commanded by Roman Orlik took place on September 18 in Kampinos Forest, not far from Warsaw. A well-placed 20mm gun destroyed first a Panzer 4, and then two following Pz 35(t). Among the German casualties was the C/O of the Pz4, Viktor Albrecht von Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, prince of Ratibor. Which means that apparently at close range a well-placed 20 mm shot could do wonders even against unlikely opponents.

Here's a paragraph from "Karaluchy przeciw Pancerom" ("Cockroaches against Panzers") by Janusz Magnuski:

Orlik ordered two TK-3 to stay behind on his wings and himself positioned his TKS in an ambush at the edge of the forest [by the road leading from Truskawka to Pociecha]. He set his sights on the leading Panzer 4 and opened fire. The very first bullet hit directly under the turret. Smoke appeared and the German crew started running away. Then the remaining tankettes opened fire.

Officer Cadet Orlik did not have time to enjoy his victory, as another tank appeared. Orlik opened fire, but this time the bullets just ricocheted without making any impression. The German returned fire - luckily for the Polish crew it missed.

The Polish crew reloaded and fired another magazine, this time the PzKpfw 35(t) was hit directly in the ammunition chamber. Dense smoke appeared from the tank and flames quickly engulfed it. The crew died inside.

Only one tank remained on the battlefield. It opened fire with everything it got and started a retreat. Yet Orlik did not allow it to run. By the time the German tank reached the two already destroyed, Orlik overtook it and was ready to open fire again. At a distance of merely 60 metres a short salvo of the 20 mm gun was more then enough to end the flight.

Judging by the photos, the Pz IV was eventually destroyed by ammo explosion as well. Here's a sweetie for all of you:


BTW the following day Orlik and his tankette took part in a larger tank battle near Sieraków, where the entire Panzer-Abteilung 65 was pretty much wiped out by Polish artillery and two TKS 20mm tankettes. Altogether the Germans lost at least 26 KIA and WIA and 27 tanks (most of them Pz 35(t)). 20 were destroyed by 75 mm and 37 mm AT guns, but 7 were claimed by Orlik. Slightly to the north another group of 11 tanks was destroyed by a combined artillery, 37 mm AT and AT rifle fire. Imagine this guy in some heavier tank...

I think that the "checkerboard" actually is historical: http://www.aircraft-insignia.com/page20.htm (scroll down to Poland).
- BNC

Actually, it's not. Poles used it the same way the Brits used their roundel. The checkerboard was used to mark aeroplanes. Not tanks, not lorries, not guns. Planes only. Come to think of it, it's pretty logical. The checkerboard was the insignia of the Polish Air Force. You don't expect air forces to field that many tanks, do you.
Cheers

[BiteNibbleChomp]

You don't expect air forces to field that many tanks, do you.
Cheers

Para-tanks?

- BNC

[T2_2112]

And finally the TKS-D tank destroyer (basically a TKS tankette with a 37mm bofors AT mounted on top). Yes, in reality it was this crude. But it was also a pretty decent idea: the crew could disassemble the gun, hide it in the bushes and use it as a typical AT gun, or fire directly from their vehicle.

Do i have a change to see Tank destroyer PZInz.160, and TKD self-propelled gun
TDK

PZInz160

[Halibutt]

You don't expect air forces to field that many tanks, do you.
Cheers

Para-tanks?

- BNC

BTW, as far as I remember (I'd have to cross-check with Derela), just before 1939 the Polish Army actually removed all insignia from their tanks and vehicles, on purpose. Before that there was no "Polish insignia" on all of them, but different regiments and battalions used a variety of markings, plus various signs to denote commanders' vehicle and so on. All of those were removed to make unit identification by the enemy (and the spies) less easy.

Do i have a change to see Tank destroyer PZInz.160, and TKD self-propelled gun

Yeah, I know my TKD posted above doesn't look like much Actually I'd have to tweak it more as in reality it was open-topped, perhaps if time permits... As to PZInż 160 - I'm still at a crossroads whether to make a 100% historical campaign or an alternative history scenario, where Poland gets to survive til winter and some experimental vehicles are pressed into service. But even then the 160 would have to be a single unit, as there was no chance to mass produce it. But perhaps such not-so-historical scenarios are more fun?

Also, do you guys remember any non-vanilla Polish unit icons around here? I have guille's Polish artillery (75mm, 105 mm and 40 mm Bofors), FT-17 by Bebro, excellent Polish infantry by LuftWFJ44 and even a Polski Fiat lorry by phcas, but there's little else in terms of artillery tractors, planes, and all the not-that-standard weapons. I'm also looking for a decent AT rifle infantry icon (they were really deadly back in 1939). Anyone?

I know HBalck made a plethora of those, but I doubt he would let me use them and we stopped cooperating once I realise the stats he envisioned for the German troops in his mod. Sadly, as I mentioned before, I believe 1939 German infantry was neither better nor worse than Polish, French or British. He apparently thinks otherwise and in our test games his unarmed tracks often beat my infantry battalions, so I decided to go my own way...
Cheers

[guille1434]

Hi Halibutt!
Thanks for sharing such interesting (and surprising) info about Polish tankettes combat records! I really enjoyed reading those pieces if information...
About your project, I would be very glad to be able to help you. I would like to mention the following topics:

- Not many days ago I uploaded a big pack of Polish Inafntry units, did you get it?
- Unfortunately, I did not think about including an AT Rifle unit amongst those, but I will gladly do so to complete that unit set. Do you have info about what AT Rifle did the Poles use?
- Bebro released a bunch of excellent replacement icon for polish aircraft, also I released sometime ago a very "What If?" polish fighter, the PZL P.62
- The units you release are very well made and very original! I volunteer to make the TKD icon as open topped, if you like. Also, I think the camo style, specially how it looks on the armoured train, is a real gem... Would you be so gentle to share the camo skin file to use it with the DCS software (in case you applied them using a skin file)?
- I have some other stuff to work on Polish units, tracked tractors, staff cars, etc... That eventualy will see the light of day and will be shared with all the community here. So, stay tuned!

Best regards!

[Ballermann]

Also, do you guys remember any non-vanilla Polish unit icons around here?

Here are polish paras:
http://www.strategie-gamer.com/viewtopi ... &start=150

[Halibutt]

Hi Halibutt!
Thanks for sharing such interesting (and surprising) info about Polish tankettes combat records! I really enjoyed reading those pieces if information...
About your project, I would be very glad to be able to help you. I would like to mention the following topics (...) I have some other stuff to work on Polish units, tracked tractors, staff cars, etc... That eventualy will see the light of day and will be shared with all the community here. So, stay tuned!

Wow, thank you Can't wait to see more of your work.

- Not many days ago I uploaded a big pack of Polish Inafntry units, did you get it?

Yes, I noticed them today They are great, absolutely astonishing, thanks for your hard work.

- Unfortunately, I did not think about including an AT Rifle unit amongst those, but I will gladly do so to complete that unit set. Do you have info about what AT Rifle did the Poles use?

Basically a longer Mauser rifle, actually 1,76 metres long Wz. 35 AT rifle. It was used as a typical support weapon, by a team of two, usually in prone position.

- Bebro released a bunch of excellent replacement icon for polish aircraft, also I released sometime ago a very "What If?" polish fighter, the PZL P.62

Yeah, I found it, thanks. I'm thinking of more Polish prototype planes. For instance:

1. PZL.50 Jastrząb - actually I'll probably just use existing sprites for Curtiss P-36, Bloch MB.150, Fokker D.XXI or Fiat G.50, they all looked very similar (put the largest radial engine available in a fighter plane and you'll end up with a similar design)
2. PZL.38 Wilk - it was to some extent a smaller, heavy fighter version of PZL.37B Bomber, so I'll reuse vanilla icons and try my luck with that
3. we already have the advanced fighter (your PZL.62), so let's just rename it to the historical designation of PZL.55 and we're there

The units you release are very well made and very original! I volunteer to make the TKD icon as open topped, if you like. Also, I think the camo style, specially how it looks on the armoured train, is a real gem... Would you be so gentle to share the camo skin file to use it with the DCS software (in case you applied them using a skin file)?

Thanks! You'd be my hero, really. Actually I did release the camo skin earlier today, along with the masks I created so far Check it out here.

Also, there's an excellent 3d model of a TKS tankette here. Perhaps it would be easier to combine it with a Bofors gun in some 3d software? What do you think?

[Akkula]

Great, just great. Thanks a lot halibutt to share your project with us.

[guille1434]

HI again Halibutt, I will give answer to the matters posted in this thread, and also will give you an answer to what was posted in the "Multipurpose UNits Thread"...

- Thanks for your nice words on the Polish Infantry units pack. I am very glad that someone with a vast knowledge about Polish WWII armed forces give such a positive opinion. Of course, it's clear you know much more about this theme than I do, so your feedback will be most wanted...

- The Wz.35 AT Rifle is a nice piece of weponry, I will try to make a good AT Rifle unit icon. In wikipedia, we can read that it was used by the Germans (unavoidable), the Italians, and also the Soviet AT rifles had parts copied from that rifle! That is news for me!

- Aircraft: Just added the PZL.50 and PZL.38 to my "to do" list.

- Also, I changed the designation from PZL.62 to PZL.55, because you said that this was the histaorical designation for that aircraft project. Thanks!

- The improved, open topped TKD is also included in that infamous "to do" list...

- TKS and 3D models: Sorry, I am strictly a 2D man, I can barely cope with complex 2D software (like The Gimp), so I mainly use Paint.NET, and use GIMP when I need to do some trick that Paint.Net cannot make, or, at least, I do not know how is it done... The good news is that I have some suitable model images of that vehicle, and I will attempt to develop icons from them. By the way, I think your TKS icon looks more like a TK-3, so I will make the TKS icons and I will take yours as the ones for the TK-3 model. Please, don't get angry about this unimportant comment... After all, the differences between the two models were minimal, but I like to have readily identifiable icons for as many models as possible!

- Polish Camo Skin: A million thanks for sharing! Now I have an historically correct pattern to give colour to any Polish SE unit I will model!

As a repayment, I did a version of that skin with reduced size (to 75%) that can be useful tu apply on smaller icons (TKS, may be?) I upload it here, but I will test it to see how it works.

Thanks, again, for all the good stuff and info shared here! Thumbs up!

[T2_2112]

Do i have a change to see Tank destroyer PZInz.160, and TKD self-propelled gun

Yeah, I know my TKD posted above doesn't look like much Actually I'd have to tweak it more as in reality it was open-topped, perhaps if time permits... As to PZInż 160 - I'm still at a crossroads whether to make a 100% historical campaign or an alternative history scenario, where Poland gets to survive til winter and some experimental vehicles are pressed into service. But even then the 160 would have to be a single unit, as there was no chance to mass produce it. But perhaps such not-so-historical scenarios are more fun?

I know HBalck made a plethora of those, but I doubt he would let me use them and we stopped cooperating once I realise the stats he envisioned for the German troops in his mod. Sadly, as I mentioned before, I believe 1939 German infantry was neither better nor worse than Polish, French or British. He apparently thinks otherwise and in our test games his unarmed tracks often beat my infantry battalions, so I decided to go my own way...
Cheers

I think "what if" will no harm anyone, i like protype and rare unit as rewards

For HBalck works, there NO CHANGE to get ANY CHANGE, even CAMO on his units, DONT even think about it

[nikivdd]

A great and very interesting thread, keep up the good work!
Bardzo dziękuję za projekt

[Halibutt]

Just to let you know not all is silent on the eastern front, here's a little sneek preview of what I'm working on. The PZL.38 Wilk heavy fighter. The model is much better than the render, I'm not that skilled in such work, but since our sprites are so small it doesn't really matter, does it. I managed to export a number of excellent 3d models from the good ol' Battlefield 1942 mods (Forgotten Hope and FHSW). Among them is the 14TP medium tank, wz. 29 and wz. 34 armoured cars, there's even the C7P tractor somewhere there. If only I could extract their UVW maps as well...

PZL.38 Wilk

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[Halibutt]

And another model in the works: the C7P heavy artillery tractor. It's just a quick render of the model, work is slow, but who said it would be easy?
Cheers

[GaryChildress]

It's quite an achievement making those Polish tankettes look like they'd be fun to play. Well done

Thanks

I've known about the 20mm versions for a while (when I was trying to find out whether these tankettes were as annoying in real life as in the game) but hadn't come across the 37mm version before. From what you described, for game purposes the 37 would be switchable between ground mounted and tankette versions, although you could view it as AT with armoured transport. Very neat.

Yeah, that's the whole fun of tankettes: they're fast, easy to hide and versatile. While not a match for any decent tank, imagine targeting something the size of a Mini Morris driving full speed across rough terrain. Actually the direction Poland was going with the tankettes in 1939 was pretty unique, I wonder where would it lead if it wasn't for the invasion.

BTW, the 20 mm tankettes Poland did manage to complete before the war fared pretty well. A well-described fight by one tankette platoon (1 TKS 20mm and 2 TK-3) commanded by Roman Orlik took place on September 18 in Kampinos Forest, not far from Warsaw. A well-placed 20mm gun destroyed first a Panzer 4, and then two following Pz 35(t). Among the German casualties was the C/O of the Pz4, Viktor Albrecht von Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, prince of Ratibor. Which means that apparently at close range a well-placed 20 mm shot could do wonders even against unlikely opponents.

Here's a paragraph from "Karaluchy przeciw Pancerom" ("Cockroaches against Panzers") by Janusz Magnuski:

Orlik ordered two TK-3 to stay behind on his wings and himself positioned his TKS in an ambush at the edge of the forest [by the road leading from Truskawka to Pociecha]. He set his sights on the leading Panzer 4 and opened fire. The very first bullet hit directly under the turret. Smoke appeared and the German crew started running away. Then the remaining tankettes opened fire.

Officer Cadet Orlik did not have time to enjoy his victory, as another tank appeared. Orlik opened fire, but this time the bullets just ricocheted without making any impression. The German returned fire - luckily for the Polish crew it missed.

The Polish crew reloaded and fired another magazine, this time the PzKpfw 35(t) was hit directly in the ammunition chamber. Dense smoke appeared from the tank and flames quickly engulfed it. The crew died inside.

Only one tank remained on the battlefield. It opened fire with everything it got and started a retreat. Yet Orlik did not allow it to run. By the time the German tank reached the two already destroyed, Orlik overtook it and was ready to open fire again. At a distance of merely 60 metres a short salvo of the 20 mm gun was more then enough to end the flight.

Judging by the photos, the Pz IV was eventually destroyed by ammo explosion as well. Here's a sweetie for all of you:


BTW the following day Orlik and his tankette took part in a larger tank battle near Sieraków, where the entire Panzer-Abteilung 65 was pretty much wiped out by Polish artillery and two TKS 20mm tankettes. Altogether the Germans lost at least 26 KIA and WIA and 27 tanks (most of them Pz 35(t)). 20 were destroyed by 75 mm and 37 mm AT guns, but 7 were claimed by Orlik. Slightly to the north another group of 11 tanks was destroyed by a combined artillery, 37 mm AT and AT rifle fire. Imagine this guy in some heavier tank...

I think that the "checkerboard" actually is historical: http://www.aircraft-insignia.com/page20.htm (scroll down to Poland).
- BNC

Actually, it's not. Poles used it the same way the Brits used their roundel. The checkerboard was used to mark aeroplanes. Not tanks, not lorries, not guns. Planes only. Come to think of it, it's pretty logical. The checkerboard was the insignia of the Polish Air Force. You don't expect air forces to field that many tanks, do you.
Cheers

Just about every country starting the war had better tanks than Germany it seems. I understand the Polish 7TP was much better than the Pz 1s and 2s. Even in the Spanish Civil War the little Pz 1s were no match for T-26s. It's pretty amazing what the Germans accomplished early on against the other countries of Europe. Still, I wonder how long Poland would have held out had the Soviets not invaded? Or what if France had continued their push into the Ruhr instead of turning around and heading home? At the beginning of the war victory pretty much went to whoever first took the initiative. Later it came down to attrition and who could produce the most.

[GaryChildress]

It's quite an achievement making those Polish tankettes look like they'd be fun to play. Well done

Thanks

I've known about the 20mm versions for a while (when I was trying to find out whether these tankettes were as annoying in real life as in the game) but hadn't come across the 37mm version before. From what you described, for game purposes the 37 would be switchable between ground mounted and tankette versions, although you could view it as AT with armoured transport. Very neat.

Yeah, that's the whole fun of tankettes: they're fast, easy to hide and versatile. While not a match for any decent tank, imagine targeting something the size of a Mini Morris driving full speed across rough terrain. Actually the direction Poland was going with the tankettes in 1939 was pretty unique, I wonder where would it lead if it wasn't for the invasion.

BTW, the 20 mm tankettes Poland did manage to complete before the war fared pretty well. A well-described fight by one tankette platoon (1 TKS 20mm and 2 TK-3) commanded by Roman Orlik took place on September 18 in Kampinos Forest, not far from Warsaw. A well-placed 20mm gun destroyed first a Panzer 4, and then two following Pz 35(t). Among the German casualties was the C/O of the Pz4, Viktor Albrecht von Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, prince of Ratibor. Which means that apparently at close range a well-placed 20 mm shot could do wonders even against unlikely opponents.

Here's a paragraph from "Karaluchy przeciw Pancerom" ("Cockroaches against Panzers") by Janusz Magnuski:

Orlik ordered two TK-3 to stay behind on his wings and himself positioned his TKS in an ambush at the edge of the forest [by the road leading from Truskawka to Pociecha]. He set his sights on the leading Panzer 4 and opened fire. The very first bullet hit directly under the turret. Smoke appeared and the German crew started running away. Then the remaining tankettes opened fire.

Officer Cadet Orlik did not have time to enjoy his victory, as another tank appeared. Orlik opened fire, but this time the bullets just ricocheted without making any impression. The German returned fire - luckily for the Polish crew it missed.

The Polish crew reloaded and fired another magazine, this time the PzKpfw 35(t) was hit directly in the ammunition chamber. Dense smoke appeared from the tank and flames quickly engulfed it. The crew died inside.

Only one tank remained on the battlefield. It opened fire with everything it got and started a retreat. Yet Orlik did not allow it to run. By the time the German tank reached the two already destroyed, Orlik overtook it and was ready to open fire again. At a distance of merely 60 metres a short salvo of the 20 mm gun was more then enough to end the flight.

Judging by the photos, the Pz IV was eventually destroyed by ammo explosion as well. Here's a sweetie for all of you:


BTW the following day Orlik and his tankette took part in a larger tank battle near Sieraków, where the entire Panzer-Abteilung 65 was pretty much wiped out by Polish artillery and two TKS 20mm tankettes. Altogether the Germans lost at least 26 KIA and WIA and 27 tanks (most of them Pz 35(t)). 20 were destroyed by 75 mm and 37 mm AT guns, but 7 were claimed by Orlik. Slightly to the north another group of 11 tanks was destroyed by a combined artillery, 37 mm AT and AT rifle fire. Imagine this guy in some heavier tank...

I think that the "checkerboard" actually is historical: http://www.aircraft-insignia.com/page20.htm (scroll down to Poland).
- BNC

Actually, it's not. Poles used it the same way the Brits used their roundel. The checkerboard was used to mark aeroplanes. Not tanks, not lorries, not guns. Planes only. Come to think of it, it's pretty logical. The checkerboard was the insignia of the Polish Air Force. You don't expect air forces to field that many tanks, do you.
Cheers

Just about every country starting the war had better tanks than Germany it seems. I understand the Polish 7TP was much better than the Pz 1s and 2s. Even in the Spanish Civil War the little Pz 1s were no match for T-26s. It's pretty amazing what the Germans accomplished early on against the other countries of Europe. Still, I wonder how long Poland would have held out had the Soviets not invaded? Or what if France had continued their push into the Ruhr instead of turning around and heading home? At the beginning of the war victory pretty much went to whoever first took the initiative. Later it came down to attrition and who could produce the most.

[Halibutt]

Another update, this time the mighty PZL.38 Wilk heavy fighter. While superficially similar to the PZL.37B Los medium bomber, it was significantly smaller. It never entered production and only the prototypes took part in the 1939 war. However, historically it was to replace the PZL P.11c in some roles by 1941. Why not use it in-game then

I prepared two icons, one in factory green (that's how prototypes were painted) and one in plain olive drab (the basic camo of Polish planes in 1939). However, I'll also post a mask for the Camo Sprayshop in the relevant thread should anyone need a different camo.

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