GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
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GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
I've been playing through the Grand Campaign 1945 West again on my IPAD. I did it once earlier on my PC before the prestige softcap and I found it difficult but playable. This was on Field Marshall. I've tried this again on my IPAD and I've had to abandon the campaign. The campaign appears to be designed for you to have a large number of high end units but under the prestige soft cap, it is not possible to have the same over-strength units as before. I had managed to scape together a smaller Core with 2 Me-262s and a few King Tigers going into the Bastonge Assault Scenario. It is a grueling scenario that sees you hit with 2 large Allied counter attacks. My air units are pretty shot up as are my ground units. I was able to accomplish a minor victory but then remembered you get 0 prestige going into the next scenario. The meager 900 prestige you get from captured objectives not enough to even begin to repair my units to normal level. I'm not sure that Grand Campaign 45 West is currently balanced with the new Prestige Soft Cap rules. Since you cannot config the difficulty on the IPAD, I don't feel that the campaign is even playable except for a very expert player. The prestige soft cap combined with the stripping of your prestige before 1942/43 and gutting of your core units is all a bit much.
thanks,
Kevin
thanks,
Kevin
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
I went back and looked at my old PC Core at the End of Bastonge Assault. As can be seen my Core is significantly reduced in both quality and quantity and my ending prestige is less than 1/4 of what it was before. Now I will admit my earlier force was a bit over the top but I think the correction here is WAY to far in the opposite direction. Given that they crippled the IPAD version by removing the "Advanced" rules tab and have said that a new IPAD patch is not in the upcoming future, this probably will not be fixed any time soon. Is there a way to manually edit the file on the IPAD to get back to 1.14 rules?
Here is my Core pre Prestige Soft Cap
3 x Grenadier
1x Para
1 x Engineer
2 x Grenadier (Special)
2 x Panther
7 x King Tiger
3 x King Tiger (Special)
2 x Jadg Panther
1 x Jadg Tiger
1 x 17cm Arty
4 x Wurf Arty
2 x Brumbar
4 x Me-262
2 x FW-190D
1 x Do-335a
1x Stuka G
1x Me410
1x Panzer Grenadier
1x Brucken Pioneer
1x 88mm AA
1x MobelWagen
End Prestiger: 4567
After Prestige Softcap on IPad
3x Grenadier
1 x Gebirasjager
2 x Pioneer
2 x Grenadier (Special)
1 x Panther
1 x Tiger
2 x Tiger (Special)
4 x King Tiger
1 x Jagd Tiger
5 x Wurf Arty
1 x SDKFZ 7/2
2 x Modeblwagen
3 x FW190d
2 x Me-262
1x Me109G (Special)
1x Do-335a
1x Me410 (Special)
End Prestige 957
Here is my Core pre Prestige Soft Cap
3 x Grenadier
1x Para
1 x Engineer
2 x Grenadier (Special)
2 x Panther
7 x King Tiger
3 x King Tiger (Special)
2 x Jadg Panther
1 x Jadg Tiger
1 x 17cm Arty
4 x Wurf Arty
2 x Brumbar
4 x Me-262
2 x FW-190D
1 x Do-335a
1x Stuka G
1x Me410
1x Panzer Grenadier
1x Brucken Pioneer
1x 88mm AA
1x MobelWagen
End Prestiger: 4567
After Prestige Softcap on IPad
3x Grenadier
1 x Gebirasjager
2 x Pioneer
2 x Grenadier (Special)
1 x Panther
1 x Tiger
2 x Tiger (Special)
4 x King Tiger
1 x Jagd Tiger
5 x Wurf Arty
1 x SDKFZ 7/2
2 x Modeblwagen
3 x FW190d
2 x Me-262
1x Me109G (Special)
1x Do-335a
1x Me410 (Special)
End Prestige 957
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
No the game is not unplayable with the prestige cap. It is a lot harder tho i agree but that was the intention of prestige softcap.
If you can't beat the game anymore on FM see it either as a challenge to improve or go down a notch in difficulty. On PC you can fine tune it easily with custom difficulty, on IPad you have less granularity but hopefully this get fixed at some point. Alternatively, at least on PC, you can either play with the 1.14 rules or edit the config files and disable prestige softcap directly if you prefer the rest of 1.20 rules. On IPad as far i know, i don't own one so i am not 100% sure but pretty close to, you can only access your file system if you have your IPad jailbroken. In this case you can edit the config files as well. Without a jailbreak tho Apple doesn't allow you to access your files on your IPad which is exactly the reason why i don't own one.
If it's my device and my files i want to be able to do with them what i please without having to go through the hassle to jailbreak the IPad after every update.
If you can't beat the game anymore on FM see it either as a challenge to improve or go down a notch in difficulty. On PC you can fine tune it easily with custom difficulty, on IPad you have less granularity but hopefully this get fixed at some point. Alternatively, at least on PC, you can either play with the 1.14 rules or edit the config files and disable prestige softcap directly if you prefer the rest of 1.20 rules. On IPad as far i know, i don't own one so i am not 100% sure but pretty close to, you can only access your file system if you have your IPad jailbroken. In this case you can edit the config files as well. Without a jailbreak tho Apple doesn't allow you to access your files on your IPad which is exactly the reason why i don't own one.

Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
I did not say the game was unplayable, just the latter DLC's. You appear to be correct in that I cannot get any of the Panzer Corps system files to copy off the IPAD with IFUN BOX 2014. I cannot think for the life of me WHY the dev's did not include the Advanced tab for the rules in the IPAD version! The DLC's were obviously not written with the 1.2 rules in mind so why not give the player the option to change them like you do on the PC? Was this a move to purposely cripple the IPAD version so people might still buy the PC version to get the "Full Version".
rather frustrated right now, I'm tempted to downgrade my 2 Star review on the App Store to 1 Star
Kevin
rather frustrated right now, I'm tempted to downgrade my 2 Star review on the App Store to 1 Star

Kevin
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
I agree that the prestige soft cap changes your core significantly; I'm not sure that it is unplayable.
Your pre-soft cap core had 2 SE grenadiers, 3 SE King Tigers, and 7 regular king tigers.
Your post-soft cap core had 2 SE grenadiers, 2 SE TIgers, 1 SE Me410, 1 SE Me109g, 4 king tigers, and 1 tiger.
My post-soft cap core for this scenario does not have any SE grenadiers. My armor consists of SE King tigers and special hero Panthers. My SE units are the only units I over-strength.
Having said all that, some of the decisive victories become very expensive under a soft cap, and it may be more prudent to go for a marginal victory.
Your pre-soft cap core had 2 SE grenadiers, 3 SE King Tigers, and 7 regular king tigers.
Your post-soft cap core had 2 SE grenadiers, 2 SE TIgers, 1 SE Me410, 1 SE Me109g, 4 king tigers, and 1 tiger.
My post-soft cap core for this scenario does not have any SE grenadiers. My armor consists of SE King tigers and special hero Panthers. My SE units are the only units I over-strength.
Having said all that, some of the decisive victories become very expensive under a soft cap, and it may be more prudent to go for a marginal victory.
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
Endur, what was your prestige level after Bastonge? I'd be interested to see how you fare with that core moving forward. I've been living on MV for the last few scenarios. The extra prestige awarded does not even begin to pay for the extra losses encurred.
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
Well the later DLCs are not unplayable either. You are unable to beat them anymore on FM difficulty level, which is the highest there if we discount the bonus difficulty levels. You probably can perfectly still beat it on colonel for example. I bet there are some really good players around, and no i am not among them, who can still do it. After all a lot people managed to do it with Deducter's mod before and that made the DLC even with prestige softcap look like a walk in the park.kverdon wrote:I did not say the game was unplayable, just the latter DLC's.
This bit is not specially aimed at you Kverdon just a general remark: I wonder why people first complain the game is way to easy and want it harder and then suddenly when the new rules accomplish exactly this and they can't beat the game at the level they used to instead of going down in difficulty or trying to improve their skills they complain and call the game unplayable. Even if no one at all would be able to beat the late war DLC anymore on field marshal, which i personally highly doubt, the game would be still not unplayable imho as it offers enough difficulty levels where you can do it. Now if suddenly a majority of people can't beat the game anymore on the easier levels then one could consider it unplayable but imho certainly not if this is the case on the highest one.
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Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
Also there's this thing called Custom difficulty now - pick your own challenge if you don't like what the game offers (this is how I don't rage on KORSUN!!!!)
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Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
Also there's this thing called Custom difficulty now - pick your own challenge if you don't like what the game offers (this is how I don't rage on KORSUN!!!!)
Not on the IPAD. They removed the ability to customize the difficulty settings when they removed the "Advanced" tab.
As for changing the difficulty, well I could but I'd have to restart the whole campaign, they also removed the ability to change difficulty between scenarios of a campaign. I really am begging to believe the did cripple the IPAD version so that players wanting the "full" version would purchase the PC version. I just wish they had advertised it as such.
Not on the IPAD. They removed the ability to customize the difficulty settings when they removed the "Advanced" tab.

As for changing the difficulty, well I could but I'd have to restart the whole campaign, they also removed the ability to change difficulty between scenarios of a campaign. I really am begging to believe the did cripple the IPAD version so that players wanting the "full" version would purchase the PC version. I just wish they had advertised it as such.
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
Do the cheats work on the I-pad? If so you could figure out what you would earn for each scenario MV and DV under the 'old' rules by starting a new campaign, deploy your core, cheat end and see what you were given for each type of victory based on your core then come up with an adder for what your customized settings would give you if you had the option of using them and add that prestige after each scenario.kverdon wrote:Also there's this thing called Custom difficulty now - pick your own challenge if you don't like what the game offers (this is how I don't rage on KORSUN!!!!)
Not on the IPAD. They removed the ability to customize the difficulty settings when they removed the "Advanced" tab.
As for changing the difficulty, well I could but I'd have to restart the whole campaign, they also removed the ability to change difficulty between scenarios of a campaign. I really am begging to believe the did cripple the IPAD version so that players wanting the "full" version would purchase the PC version. I just wish they had advertised it as such.
Lot of work though, having the advanced tab is a whole lot easier.
Re: GC 45 West - Unplayable with Prestige Soft Cap?
I found GC 45 West fairly hard as well. With the new entrenchment rules it takes a long time to "dig" those heavily entrenched infantry and AT units out, especially with the not so favourite weather conditions. You also need a lot of infantry units in 45 West as well whereas the two previous campaign can be easily done with a very diversified core. 43/43 West and 44 are probably my favourite campaigns but under the new rules I did not like 45 West as much as I used to.