3.0 new change 2 ?

[Morris]

I did remember in GS 2.1 , when Britain was conquered by Axis (no one guard Britain ), they will lost 40 points morale loss . after USA comes recover 10 , USSR comes recover 10 , Italy surrender recover 10 .

But at one of our recent pbem , when USA comes it recover 30 !!!!!! Is this a new change in 3.0 ?

[Peter Stauffenberg]

It was changed from 20 to 30 I think in GS v3.0. That was done after several beta testers complained that if you lost England as the Allied player you got a life sentence of lower morale so it was very hard to get back into the game. These are the values now:

UK_MORALE_PENALTY_PER_MISSING_HG 5 /* Max morale of all UK units are lowered by this number for each missing HG unit in UK */
UK_LESS_MORALE_PENALTY_USA_ALLIED 30 /* Reduces max morale penalty of all UK units by this number if USA is activated */
UK_LESS_MORALE_PENALTY_USSR_ALLIED 10 /* Reduces max morale penalty of all UK units by this number if USSR is activated */
UK_LESS_MORALE_PENALTY_NO_ITALY 10 /* Reduces max morale penalty of all UK units by this number if Italy is neutral or has surrendered */

[Morris]

It was changed from 20 to 30 I think in GS v3.0. That was done after several beta testers complained that if you lost England as the Allied player you got a life sentence of lower morale so it was very hard to get back into the game. These are the values now:

UK_MORALE_PENALTY_PER_MISSING_HG 5 /* Max morale of all UK units are lowered by this number for each missing HG unit in UK */
UK_LESS_MORALE_PENALTY_USA_ALLIED 30 /* Reduces max morale penalty of all UK units by this number if USA is activated */
UK_LESS_MORALE_PENALTY_USSR_ALLIED 10 /* Reduces max morale penalty of all UK units by this number if USSR is activated */
UK_LESS_MORALE_PENALTY_NO_ITALY 10 /* Reduces max morale penalty of all UK units by this number if Italy is neutral or has surrendered */

This is a little bit unacceptable ! This change plus the gars spawn after sealion will make sealion almost totally an impossible mission . It will just make Axis player has few choice after France campaign .

BTW , is this kind of change should be found in the 3.0 manual ? Why we usually met the situation like this without finding any discussion about it on the forum ?

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Changes are voted upon in the beta group. Being able to influence which changes that should be made is one of the benefits being a beta test member. In the beta phase several testers thought the UK penalty for losing England was too severe even after USA joined the Allies.

The morale loss change doesn't affect the chance of succeeding with a Sealion. It only affects the UK after USA joins the Allies by making the penalty a bit less severe.

I can't answer why this is not in the user manual since i have nothing to do with the manual. The change is probably in the release notes as one of the points there.

[Morris]

Changes are voted upon in the beta group.

even if we are not beta tester anymore , Is it necessary to notice us on the forum whenever there is a change like this ! If someone who wants to make sealion , maybe he will cancel it whenever he knows about this . otherwise when he find this when it happens in Dec 1941, he will has no preparation about it & it will probably make Axis player lose the game or lose the advantage .

[Morris]

The morale loss change doesn't affect the chance of succeeding with a Sealion.

Yes, it does effect ! Because the purpose of sealion usually divided into two part : take Britain's pp from UK & remove the overlords launching base ; reduce English's effectiveness sothat to get Middle east easier .

But this change will make the second mission more difficult ! If Axis fail to take the oil from Middle east , their future will be hopeless .(if there is sealion ,usually no 1941 Babarosa anymore )

[Morris]

I can't answer why this is not in the user manual since i have nothing to do with the manual. The change is probably in the release notes as one of the points there.

So who has something to do with the manual ? Alec ? Paul ? I do believe the one who is in charge of the manual should know about all changes from the alpha group or beta group !

[Peter Stauffenberg]

But this change will make the second mission more difficult ! If Axis fail to take the oil from Middle east , their future will be hopeless .(if there is sealion ,usually no 1941 Babarosa anymore )

USA won't join until December 1941 so you will have more than 1 year after the fall of London to capture the Middle East with UK units being at very low morale. If you fail to take the Middle East in that time you will struggle anyway.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Alec is responsible for the User Manual and he gets data about changes from Paul. Paul is updating the release notes with addition of new points.

[Morris]

But this change will make the second mission more difficult ! If Axis fail to take the oil from Middle east , their future will be hopeless .(if there is sealion ,usually no 1941 Babarosa anymore )

USA won't join until December 1941 so you will have more than 1 year after the fall of London to capture the Middle East with UK units being at very low morale. If you fail to take the Middle East in that time you will struggle anyway.

Actually it is ok for me since I almost never sealion as Axis .hehehe