Moving fragmented battlegroups

[list_lurker]

last a BG of Horse became fragmented infront of artillery. During the JAP a genreral joined them. In the following bound they did a 90 and moved away . and then continued to march... all seemed a bit wierd, but counted find anything in the rules to prevent it.

So can fragmented troops march? (assuming all CMTs are passed etc)

thanks
SImon

[nikgaukroger]

They can make second and third moves but must adhere to:

"Battle group can make a simple move to retire away from all enemy within 12 MUs but must CMT for any other move"

[list_lurker]

i thought so.. it just seemed a bit wierd to see a fragged, one base of breaking BG , handbreak turn and zip 15" away to be out of range of all the artillery

[nikgaukroger]

i thought so.. it just seemed a bit wierd to see a fragged, one base of breaking BG , handbreak turn and zip 15" away to be out of range of all the artillery

Historical accounts, especially of the C17th, involve a lot of units falling back under pressure of one sort or another. In fact far more than you get in FoG:R by quite some way - possibly a case where you need to look at the outcome and not the mechanism to get there

IIRC during development Charles proposed a lot more fall back type moves being available but we didn't go down that route in order that the game had a good chance of a decisive conclusion within "normal" playing times. I think if you were looking at historical verisimilitude you could have BGs fall back on a successful CMT or, perhaps a better version, optionally fall back if they fail a CT instead of dropping a cohesion level (i.e. one or the other).

[list_lurker]

i can see the wailing and gnashing of teeth as a BG retires out of range rather than drop a COH level !

[gibby]

Sounds Like the FoGN result in which you cannot rout from long range fire alone. It is converted to an automatic fall back/retire move. It's a neat mechanism in which you still make the variable move distance roll, but if you move more than your normal move distance you end turned around.

cheers
Jim