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[grandad]

i had a situation arise in a game i played last night that i need help with'

a bg of romans was closing in on a bg of heavy Horse. the horse where travelling 90 degrees to the Romans in font on there far right. the Romans moved to with in 1 inch of the horse pinning them. reading the rules dose the bg(horse) keep moving in the direction they are travelling or do they have to turn 90 degrees and move in the same direction as the romans

[philqw78]

They must end their move still in front of the Romans.
They may be able to wheel and get further away, which would be legal.

There are a number of other choices as to exactly what they can do but they need to end in front.

[bbotus]

They must end their move still in front of the Romans.

Maybe not. Let's discuss this one. Page 80, 1st bullet, V2, 2nd column, 'RESTRICTED AREA' states that a BG in the RA of enemy even partly behind its rear can move straight forwards even if the BG ends its move no longer in front of the enemy BG. 'Rear' is not defined in the book (at least, I can't find it).

It would appear to me that if the Roman BG in the right flank of the cav had any part of 1 base to the left of a line extending the rear of the cav BG, then that would qualify and the cav could make a straight ahead move ending out of the RA. Anyone read that differently?

[batesmotel]

My interpretation would be that the enemy BG exerting the restricted area must fall at least partially between the lines extending both flanks of the friendly BG to it's rear

Chris

[philqw78]

My interpretation would be that the enemy BG exerting the restricted area must fall at least partially between the lines extending both flanks of the friendly BG to it's rear

Chris

This is true

[bbotus]

Why is that? Is there anything in the rules that says that part of the BG must be behind the lines that extend the sides?

That does not apply to being charged in the rear. And for supporting BGs the wording is "... at least partly DIRECTLY to the supported BGs's rear,...".

In the following thread viewtopic.php?f=43&t=9203, Simon Hall defines 'directly to battle groups rear' as drawing two lines along the supported BGs edges going backwards. The area in between is directly to its rear. He goes on to define 'partly in front' as drawing a line extending the supporting BGs front to both sides. I don't think that definition has changed from V1 to V2.

The wording on page 80 says 'partly behind its rear' not 'partly directly behind its rear'. It sounds more like Simon's definition of 'partly in front'. I can read it either way so it is confusing to me.

[philqw78]

If we could search the Forum we could find the answer. RBS as ruled on this before.