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MKWS 2014
Hi Everyone
All games will be 3 hours 15minutes, we'll stick to 15mm this year
Period 1
EITHER
The Fight for Dutch Independence(1568-1633) Early Imperial Spanish, Elizabethan English, Early Eighty Years war Dutch, Later Eighty Years War Dutch, Later Imperial Spanish (Army of Flanders)
OR
English Civil War (1639-1652 Early Caroline English, Scots Covenanter, Scots Royalist, Confederate Irish, English Civil War Parliamentarian, Later English Civil War Royalist, New Model Army
OR
The start of the Great North War (1700) Later Polish & Lithuanian, Later Ottoman Turkish, Later Swedish, Later Russian, Later Danish, Saxony (Later German States), Cossacks,
Period 2
EITHER
Formation of the Kingdom Early Henrician English, Scottish, Border Reivers, Irish, Anglo Irish, Later Henrican English, Elizabethan English
OR
2nd- 5th Muscovite-Lithuanian wars 1500-1540 Livonian order (?German States?),Tatar, Early Russian, Early Polish, Early Lithuanian, Cossacks
OR
war of the League of Cognac 1526-1530 Caroline Imperialist, Italian wars French, Papal States (Italian States), German States, Italian Wars Venetian, Republic of Florence (Italian States), Milan (Italian States)
Period 3
EITHER
War in the Far East in the 17th Century Ming Chinese, Koren, Japanese, Mongol, Tibetan, Indonesian, Malaccan, Thai, Khmer, Burmese, Vietnamese, Colonial Portugese, Colonial Dutch, Jurchen, Later Jin, Qing
OR
War in America in the 16th Century:- Arawak, Carib, Aztec, Tlaxcalan, Huaxtec, Otomi, Tarascan, Zapotec, Mixtec, Chinantec, Mayan, Inca, Mapuche, Araucanian, Amazonian Forest Tribes, Tupi, Pueblo Culture, Chichimec, Natchez, South Eastern Woodland Culture, Timucuan, Eastern Woodland Culture, Plains Culture, Pacific North West Culture, Colonial Spanish, Colonial French,
OR
Wars in the Africa Oromo, West Sudanese, Central African, North African States, Central Sudanese, Funj, Fur, West African Forest, Mossi, Tuareg, Aviz Portuguese, Desert Bedouin, Ethiopian, Zanj, Horn of Africa, Colonial Portuguese, Early Ottomans, Later Ottoman, Trastamara Spanish and Tangiers English, Caroline Imperialist option in africa
This is the first go so if you feel armies have been missed from these lists let me know, as ever you get one vote from each period and a bonus vote to allocate to your favourite, either put on the forum or email me at alasdairharley@hotmail.com
Thanks
Alasdair
All games will be 3 hours 15minutes, we'll stick to 15mm this year
Period 1
EITHER
The Fight for Dutch Independence(1568-1633) Early Imperial Spanish, Elizabethan English, Early Eighty Years war Dutch, Later Eighty Years War Dutch, Later Imperial Spanish (Army of Flanders)
OR
English Civil War (1639-1652 Early Caroline English, Scots Covenanter, Scots Royalist, Confederate Irish, English Civil War Parliamentarian, Later English Civil War Royalist, New Model Army
OR
The start of the Great North War (1700) Later Polish & Lithuanian, Later Ottoman Turkish, Later Swedish, Later Russian, Later Danish, Saxony (Later German States), Cossacks,
Period 2
EITHER
Formation of the Kingdom Early Henrician English, Scottish, Border Reivers, Irish, Anglo Irish, Later Henrican English, Elizabethan English
OR
2nd- 5th Muscovite-Lithuanian wars 1500-1540 Livonian order (?German States?),Tatar, Early Russian, Early Polish, Early Lithuanian, Cossacks
OR
war of the League of Cognac 1526-1530 Caroline Imperialist, Italian wars French, Papal States (Italian States), German States, Italian Wars Venetian, Republic of Florence (Italian States), Milan (Italian States)
Period 3
EITHER
War in the Far East in the 17th Century Ming Chinese, Koren, Japanese, Mongol, Tibetan, Indonesian, Malaccan, Thai, Khmer, Burmese, Vietnamese, Colonial Portugese, Colonial Dutch, Jurchen, Later Jin, Qing
OR
War in America in the 16th Century:- Arawak, Carib, Aztec, Tlaxcalan, Huaxtec, Otomi, Tarascan, Zapotec, Mixtec, Chinantec, Mayan, Inca, Mapuche, Araucanian, Amazonian Forest Tribes, Tupi, Pueblo Culture, Chichimec, Natchez, South Eastern Woodland Culture, Timucuan, Eastern Woodland Culture, Plains Culture, Pacific North West Culture, Colonial Spanish, Colonial French,
OR
Wars in the Africa Oromo, West Sudanese, Central African, North African States, Central Sudanese, Funj, Fur, West African Forest, Mossi, Tuareg, Aviz Portuguese, Desert Bedouin, Ethiopian, Zanj, Horn of Africa, Colonial Portuguese, Early Ottomans, Later Ottoman, Trastamara Spanish and Tangiers English, Caroline Imperialist option in africa
This is the first go so if you feel armies have been missed from these lists let me know, as ever you get one vote from each period and a bonus vote to allocate to your favourite, either put on the forum or email me at alasdairharley@hotmail.com
Thanks
Alasdair
Last edited by alasdair2204 on Sat May 18, 2013 2:04 pm, edited 5 times in total.
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Re: MKWS 2014
I like em.. Pity it's unlikely I'll make it! 

Re: MKWS 2014
Hi Alasdair,
Congratulations on organising an excellent competition, and on winning it of course!
Clearly, shooting one of your own side in the foot is the way to go in team competitions.
Several points to make for next year:
1) Can someone please borrow the BHGS tablecloths? I hate playing on that carpet stuff!
2) The reduction in game time to three hours seems to have resulted in a higher than usual number of draws (I can't actually see all the results on this machine). Maybe we should consider using preset terrain as in the Southern League. Downside of this would be that Team Alasdair wouldn't be able to hog one set of tables.
3) I feel there's a strong case for including at least one of the West European wars (ECW 30YW WoLA). Partly because they represent most people's understanding of pike and shot warfare and partly to reduce the requirement to paint up new armies.
4) It might be worthwhile looking at some variation in APs between the themes to give a bit more variety.
5) Sort out your geography - Mexico, Arizona and New Mexico are all in North America!
6) Seems to me that periods one and two should be a linked choice - either Dutch Independence AND Muscovites, or Great North War AND Formation of the Kingdom. Otherwise we might end up with two cavalry themes and you'd then have to play two games at a time.
7) On period 3 I think the American option should be the whole of both continents in the 16th century. This avoids the strange redefinition of north and south.
8 ) Also on period 3, why exclude the Ottomans from the African option? A bit like the 30YW without Swedes. And why miss the chance to include the Trastamara Spanish and Tangiers English?
Dave
Congratulations on organising an excellent competition, and on winning it of course!
Clearly, shooting one of your own side in the foot is the way to go in team competitions.

Several points to make for next year:
1) Can someone please borrow the BHGS tablecloths? I hate playing on that carpet stuff!
2) The reduction in game time to three hours seems to have resulted in a higher than usual number of draws (I can't actually see all the results on this machine). Maybe we should consider using preset terrain as in the Southern League. Downside of this would be that Team Alasdair wouldn't be able to hog one set of tables.

3) I feel there's a strong case for including at least one of the West European wars (ECW 30YW WoLA). Partly because they represent most people's understanding of pike and shot warfare and partly to reduce the requirement to paint up new armies.
4) It might be worthwhile looking at some variation in APs between the themes to give a bit more variety.
5) Sort out your geography - Mexico, Arizona and New Mexico are all in North America!
6) Seems to me that periods one and two should be a linked choice - either Dutch Independence AND Muscovites, or Great North War AND Formation of the Kingdom. Otherwise we might end up with two cavalry themes and you'd then have to play two games at a time.

7) On period 3 I think the American option should be the whole of both continents in the 16th century. This avoids the strange redefinition of north and south.
8 ) Also on period 3, why exclude the Ottomans from the African option? A bit like the 30YW without Swedes. And why miss the chance to include the Trastamara Spanish and Tangiers English?
Dave
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Re: MKWS 2014
Hi Alasdair,
Congratulations on organising an excellent competition, and on winning it of course!
Clearly, shooting one of your own side in the foot is the way to go in team competitions.
Several points to make for next year:
1) Can someone please borrow the BHGS tablecloths? I hate playing on that carpet stuff!
2) The reduction in game time to three hours seems to have resulted in a higher than usual number of draws (I can't actually see all the results on this machine). Maybe we should consider using preset terrain as in the Southern League. Downside of this would be that Team Alasdair wouldn't be able to hog one set of tables.
We played on average 3 hours 7 minutes (random time 0-15minutes but I rolled low all weekend
3) I feel there's a strong case for including at least one of the West European wars (ECW 30YW WoLA). Partly because they represent most people's understanding of pike and shot warfare and partly to reduce the requirement to paint up new armies.I do agree but I thought the Dutch one plus Great North war might be near enough but am happy to look at others was just trying to be a bit different, with Late Tercios making an appearance rather than basic P & S
4) It might be worthwhile looking at some variation in APs between the themes to give a bit more variety.
5) Sort out your geography - Mexico, Arizona and New Mexico are all in North America! You are absolutely right
6) Seems to me that periods one and two should be a linked choice - either Dutch Independence AND Muscovites, or Great North War AND Formation of the Kingdom. Otherwise we might end up with two cavalry themes and you'd then have to play two games at a time.
Maybe
7) On period 3 I think the American option should be the whole of both continents in the 16th century. This avoids the strange redefinition of north and south. you are right, will do so
8 ) Also on period 3, why exclude the Ottomans from the African option? A bit like the 30YW without Swedes. And why miss the chance to include the Trastamara Spanish and Tangiers English?Again right all in probably should include Caroline Imperialist option in africa[/col
Thanks a lot, feel free to keep making suggestions but please also say what are your favourite periods
Alasdair
Congratulations on organising an excellent competition, and on winning it of course!
Clearly, shooting one of your own side in the foot is the way to go in team competitions.

Several points to make for next year:
1) Can someone please borrow the BHGS tablecloths? I hate playing on that carpet stuff!
2) The reduction in game time to three hours seems to have resulted in a higher than usual number of draws (I can't actually see all the results on this machine). Maybe we should consider using preset terrain as in the Southern League. Downside of this would be that Team Alasdair wouldn't be able to hog one set of tables.

3) I feel there's a strong case for including at least one of the West European wars (ECW 30YW WoLA). Partly because they represent most people's understanding of pike and shot warfare and partly to reduce the requirement to paint up new armies.I do agree but I thought the Dutch one plus Great North war might be near enough but am happy to look at others was just trying to be a bit different, with Late Tercios making an appearance rather than basic P & S
4) It might be worthwhile looking at some variation in APs between the themes to give a bit more variety.
5) Sort out your geography - Mexico, Arizona and New Mexico are all in North America! You are absolutely right
6) Seems to me that periods one and two should be a linked choice - either Dutch Independence AND Muscovites, or Great North War AND Formation of the Kingdom. Otherwise we might end up with two cavalry themes and you'd then have to play two games at a time.

7) On period 3 I think the American option should be the whole of both continents in the 16th century. This avoids the strange redefinition of north and south. you are right, will do so
8 ) Also on period 3, why exclude the Ottomans from the African option? A bit like the 30YW without Swedes. And why miss the chance to include the Trastamara Spanish and Tangiers English?Again right all in probably should include Caroline Imperialist option in africa[/col
Thanks a lot, feel free to keep making suggestions but please also say what are your favourite periods
Alasdair
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Re: MKWS 2014
Taking the points raised by Dave I would add my following comments: -
1) There are members of the BHGS at the competition. They should be able to sort out the cloths. alternatively we could bring our own cloths as per Usk.
2) Agree the reduction to 3 hours caused more draws. I would have achieved at least two complete destructions of my opponent armies in another 30 minutes.
3) Agree we need a classic pike and shot period.
4) I am happy to have a variation in points between periods.
6) There is a danger as Dave points out of having two periods with Polish armies or English 15th century armies.
7) all of America
Agree with Dave
Bob
1) There are members of the BHGS at the competition. They should be able to sort out the cloths. alternatively we could bring our own cloths as per Usk.
2) Agree the reduction to 3 hours caused more draws. I would have achieved at least two complete destructions of my opponent armies in another 30 minutes.
3) Agree we need a classic pike and shot period.
4) I am happy to have a variation in points between periods.
6) There is a danger as Dave points out of having two periods with Polish armies or English 15th century armies.
7) all of America

Bob
Re: MKWS 2014
My vote would go:
1 - Dutch Revolution
2 - Muscovites
3 - Africa
1 - Dutch Revolution
2 - Muscovites
3 - Africa
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How about a 25mm period open... I would go for it and big figs may catch the public eye more...
Period 1/2 - no preference
Period 3 - gnw
Period 1/2 - no preference
Period 3 - gnw
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For me I'd like to see
1. 25/28mm Wars of Religion 1640-1650
2. East Europe 15mm 1500-1540
3. Africa (of course)
Trouble is I'd like to play in all 3 at the same time!
Richard
1. 25/28mm Wars of Religion 1640-1650
2. East Europe 15mm 1500-1540
3. Africa (of course)
Trouble is I'd like to play in all 3 at the same time!
Richard
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Re: MKWS 2014
I like the idea of 1 of the themes being 25/28mm. Though probably with a bit of a wider date, say 1618 to 1648.
cheers
Jim
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Re: MKWS 2014
Hi
not a 25mm expert but to play 25mm would be about 650 points on a 6 by 4 table, does a game of that size last 3 hour plus
cheers
Alasdair
not a 25mm expert but to play 25mm would be about 650 points on a 6 by 4 table, does a game of that size last 3 hour plus
cheers
Alasdair
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Re: MKWS 2014
Play 800 points on a 6 x 4 in 25/28mm - that will take 3 hours plus...
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Re: MKWS 2014
Hi Everyone
stick to 15mm this year, all games 3 hours 15 minutes so slightly longer, amended periods above so three choices in line with Dave's suggestions and added a few extra armies, so get voting and let me know either on the forum or by email as some of you have already done
cheers
Alasdair
stick to 15mm this year, all games 3 hours 15 minutes so slightly longer, amended periods above so three choices in line with Dave's suggestions and added a few extra armies, so get voting and let me know either on the forum or by email as some of you have already done
cheers
Alasdair
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One open 25-28mm period to get the armies out... 650pts on 6x4 tables.... Can i enter now please 
2x 15mm periods as per normal

2x 15mm periods as per normal
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Re: MKWS 2014
Way too many points for a 6 x 4, just going to end up with lots of Swiss.Play 800 points on a 6 x 4 in 25/28mm - that will take 3 hours plus...
650 or even 700 points as a maximum.
As to period, how about ECW, plentry of 25/28mm armies out there.
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Oh, have I been caught talking my own book... As it happens I do have a 25mm Swiss FoGR army now that you ask...
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rather not a themed period don.... i wont be able to bring my jacobites then...
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- Anything with a pirate boat in the list..?
- Longer games? no thank you..
- A 28mm period would be nice but not sure I want to lug the toys from the car park
- Longer games? no thank you..
- A 28mm period would be nice but not sure I want to lug the toys from the car park
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Re: MKWS 2014
My vote would be Period 2 - Formation of the Kingdom and Period 3 - War in America in the 16th Century.
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Re: MKWS 2014
1. Great North war
2. War of the league of Cognac
3. Wars in Africa
2. War of the league of Cognac
3. Wars in Africa
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1. Dutch Independence
2. Cognac
3. Africa
2. Cognac
3. Africa