Imperial Army of France 1803-07 in Emperor and Eagles

[Chriscain]

I have a question about the list for the Imperial Army of France 1803-07 in Emperor and Eagles, pages 95-98. The list for a customised army states, you can only have one mixed division, that cannot have any heavy cavalry, and one cavalry division that must be all light or all heavy. It also states that any Imperial Guard troops must be taken in their own mixed division. My question is;

If we take Imperial Guard, do they automatically use up the one allowed mixed division, or are they a second mixed division?
Does the no heavy cavalry in a mixed division count for the Guard division? They have heavy cavalry in the list (with a minima of 8 bases), which if not allowed in a mixed division could only be taken as a whole division of just Heavy Guard cavalry, not something typically seen in a corps level affair.

The minima for the Imperial Guard section states 8 bases of heavy cavalry, 4 bases of light cavalry, and 8 bases of Infantry that all must be in the same division that is not allowed to contain light and heavy cavalry as noted above. This really needs to be cleared up please.

Cheers.

[hazelbark]

It certainly looks like the Guard is the mixed division. But I would assume that the HC can be in it, since they are required.

[Chriscain]

It certainly looks like the Guard is the mixed division. But I would assume that the HC can be in it, since they are required.

That's what I was thinking, would like to see a mod clear this up with a definitive answer though.

[Blathergut]

This is one for Terry, not this lowly mod. Personally:

Mixed division: At least 2 infantry units, plus either 1 or 2 cavalry units, plus up to 1 field or horse artillery unit.

-the Guard is a second ("it's own") mixed division
-the "minimums" are actually "optionals" that "count towards the minimums in the main list for each troop type." (errata)

Reasoning:

1. If you add it up, using the "minimums" as actual "minimums," the corps, with just its minimums, comes in at 878 points. (That's 3 commanders, all competent). (You probably need another for the Guard so add 30pts.)
2. That also only includes one light cavalry from the regulars, which would have to either be in a different mixed division or you need yet another 44 points for a 2nd unit to make up a cavalry division.
3. You can't have three Guard cavalry units in one mixed division.

[hazelbark]

This is one for Terry,

Agreed.

Mixed division: At least 2 infantry units, plus either 1 or 2 cavalry units, plus up to 1 field or horse artillery unit.

True but irrelevant as the list specifically contradicts the general rule.

-the "minimums" are actually "optionals" that "count towards the minimums in the main list for each troop type." (errata)

Also the Guard Dragoon have a new minimum of 0 in the errata. Which provokes the mixed division rule you cite.

[Chriscain]

Hoping Terry will see this and give an answer soonish, it's affecting my list building for a little friendly mini tournament we're doing to learn the rules by.

[hazelbark]

I thought he posted he was on vacation about now. so you may to wait until next week.

[Chriscain]

I thought he posted he was on vacation about now. so you may to wait until next week.

Ah didn't realise that, thanks for letting me know, just got to wait I guess

[terrys]

The Errata for this list is:

 Page 95: French Army Corps D’Armee 1805-1807 (Customized army)
5th Bullet point: “If used, all Imperial Guard .... “. ADD at the end: “Any imperial guard used count towards the minimum of the same troop type in the core list.”
7th Bullet point: REPLACE “this” with “the main”

 Page 98: French Army Corps D’Armee 1805-1807 (Table)
Guard Dragoons (Minimum Bases): Replace “4” with “0”
Guard Artillery: (Minimum bases): Combine both minimums to a single minimum of “2”.

These are specifically designed to allow you to field the guards division within the points.
The Guards (mixed) division may be used in addition to the mixed division allowed by bullet point 3.