Hü (Axis) vs Morris (Allies)

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I can't understand Morris'es strategy in this game. It's like he is throwing good units after bad units. Most encounters are worse off for the Allies so his situation goes from bad to worse. It looks like he is doing everything to bleed the Axis so the Russians can eventually get the upper hand and start the steamroller. I don't think such a strategy will work in this game.

Wouldn't it be smarter for him to build his units and keep them safe until he has the upper hand. Now he has wasted most of the US and UK navy and the Axis has naval superiority in the Atlantic. How can you then expect to get to France and further to Germany?

It's soon 1943 so the Allies will run out of time to get to Berlin. The Russians are not in control yet despite being able to push the Axis back in the south. They will have to deal with the Axis 1943 spring offensive.

I think he even started the Russian offensive too early and that allowed for a German counter offensive since the weather was good. Usually the Russians wait for the severe winter because then they know they Germans will be at a handicap for quite a few turns.

On the other hand I can understand he feels he needs to do something to change the fate. Being passive won't bring him to Berlin.

[Cybvep]

His Russian strategy isn't so bad. It may actually be good in the long run, because the Soviets can absorb high losses. However, I think that Morris' western strategy in this game is a disaster. He lost far too many naval units and they are not easy to rebuild. Even a DD takes 6 turns and he will need some CVs/BBs, too. German income is massive and with the whole ME under their control, even oil shouldn't be a big problem. Also, Italy will probably survive for a long time, possibly up to 1945.

The Allies can take a lot of punishment, but IMO they cannot afford to lose naval superiority. Even if they regain it in the end, it may be too late to win the game.

[richardsd]

His Russian strategy isn't so bad. It may actually be good in the long run, because the Soviets can absorb high losses. However, I think that Morris' western strategy in this game is a disaster. He lost far too many naval units and they are not easy to rebuild. Even a DD takes 6 turns and he will need some CVs/BBs, too. German income is massive and with the whole ME under their control, even oil shouldn't be a big problem. Also, Italy will probably survive for a long time, possibly up to 1945.

The Allies can take a lot of punishment, but IMO they cannot afford to lose naval superiority. Even if they regain it in the end, it may be too late to win the game.

His strategy is based on Russia defeating a weakened Axis on its own - he is happy to slowly bleed the Axis with the west and deliver the killer blow from the East.

Apart from his 3 MECH losses last turn I would say Morris is doing just fine

[laramieela]

Hi Durk. I don't know if this suggestion, picked from a different thread, might help you.

What I did was do a lot of hotseating against the AI and save a game immediately before each 'interesting' combat situation and then reload it 10 or 12 times, re-fighting the same combat each time. This gave me a chance to spot my mistakes, experiment with attacking with units in different orders (air first; air only after all the entrenchment is gone; strongest unit first; ARM first; units from furthest away first (so that if the enemy retreats this doesn't take him out of their reach) etc), understand the normal variation of combat results, learn when it is good and not so good to follow up on a destruct or retreat and generally get a 'feel' for how things work.

Great suggestion, thank you. I am getting a better idea.

[hue]

Pre-Turn



Again fair weather in Russia!
But Russians cannot use the good weather this far: only one kill this turn! Morris had to repair his Russian FTRs presumably.




Persia: still we have to clean the country a little... And Morris found a little BUG: although the HEX connected to the harbor is occupied by a Russian INF the harbor is already German... therefore his MECH cannot escape... and another question: there was a message that Russia gets 15 PP of lend lease though Persia at beginning of Barbarossa. But now as Persia has fallen there was no message saying this PP-delivery is interrupted now! The question is: does the Russian still get those PP ? Or is just the message missing?



No Axis losses this turn... Spanish DD survives at 1 step!!


Post-Turn


Herbstoffensive goes on! Kalinin occupied (an Airborne was killed there), Orel falls too... In the South more hard fights. Many hostile counters killed. Among them a 2-step Russian FTR.




Not much happen here... Russian MECH survives at 1-step.




Four !! additional hostile vessels sunk! All of our badly damaged ships on their way to a habor. The Atlantic still is ours ! Hurray!




And at Agadir our troops are ready for de Gaulle ... may he do his little revolution!




Casualties and KillCounter Turn 10 Barbarossa:

SU
This turn: 1 FTR, 2 Pz, 8 Inf, 1FJ
Total: 1 FTR, 5 Pz, 10 MECH, 38 INF, 1 AirBorne, 62 GAR

AXIS:
This turn: 1 Pz
Total: 3 Pz, 2 Mech

[Morris]

Hi everone :

As I know that any AAR should be agreed by both sides players . If one of them refuce to show their pbem by AAR , the other one should not continue to AAR their pbem without his opponent's permittion .
So I am so sorry to inform you that I do disagree to AAR this pbem from turn 59 until I will make agreement about it with Mr Hue ! If this AAR continue without my permition ,the pbem will be stopped from turn 62 ! )

Anyway , thanks for Hue's wonderful AAR before turn 58 ! It should be a wonderful one ! what a pity !

Morris

[Cybvep]

What's the problem?

[Morris]

What's the problem?

something privacy between Hue & me .....

[hue]

Something private? I don't see it that way: Morris asked me to replay the whole Barbarossa since T49. I think it is because his strategy did'nt work. I refused his demand as I think once it is played its played ... Today Morris told me to only continue our game if I stop writing this AAR ... I have completely no idea why it is like that ...

Come on Morris: I am looking forward to continue our gloriuos fight! And I want to post it because I spend so many effort and to to make an AAR like this!

@all: Push Morris to continue!!! Please Morris!!!

[richardsd]

Something private? I don't see it that way: Morris asked me to replay the whole Barbarossa since T49. I think it is because his strategy did'nt work. I refused his demand as I think once it is played its played ... Today Morris told me to only continue our game if I stop writing this AAR ... I have completely no idea why it is like that ...

Come on Morris: I am looking forward to continue our gloriuos fight! And I want to post it because I spend so many effort and to to make an AAR like this!

@all: Push Morris to continue!!! Please Morris!!!

it looks like Morris was planning for and risked an early winter, when he didnt' get it he had all of his capital troops exposed and has allowed the Axis to chew them up

[Morris]

Something private? I don't see it that way: Morris asked me to replay the whole Barbarossa since T49. I think it is because his strategy did'nt work. I refused his demand as I think once it is played its played ... Today Morris told me to only continue our game if I stop writing this AAR ... I have completely no idea why it is like that ...

Come on Morris: I am looking forward to continue our gloriuos fight! And I want to post it because I spend so many effort and to to make an AAR like this!

@all: Push Morris to continue!!! Please Morris!!!

It seems I have to complete the story : Hue , why don't you mention about the Malta accident ? Why don't you mention about our agreement ? It did happen like this : in a Turn in 1941 , after Axis took Malta ,Axis move the troop away from Malta & after that a British Partisan spawn in there , Then Mr Hue asked me to replay the turn until the Parisan not spawn in Malta . He was so sincerely & finally I met his request ( I have played hundreds of pbems ,this is the first time which My oppoent ask me to replay & I agree to replay a turn because my oppoent 's mistake ) , but after that we made an agreement that I have a credit whenever I want to replay in this pbem !
Regarding to the replay request of Barbarosa , it is so complicated & I had explained to Hue in detail for a long communication . I do believe the message between us should be privacy . I do respect this , but if you don't , who cares !

[Morris]

Something private? I don't see it that way: Morris asked me to replay the whole Barbarossa since T49. I think it is because his strategy did'nt work. I refused his demand as I think once it is played its played ... Today Morris told me to only continue our game if I stop writing this AAR ... I have completely no idea why it is like that ...

Come on Morris: I am looking forward to continue our gloriuos fight! And I want to post it because I spend so many effort and to to make an AAR like this!

@all: Push Morris to continue!!! Please Morris!!!

it looks like Morris was planning for and risked an early winter, when he didnt' get it he had all of his capital troops exposed and has allowed the Axis to chew them up

yes , I planed to start the attack from oct 1942 , but unfortunately it was all fair weather until Dec ! Otherwise the all southern Axis troops would have almost all be killed !
But anyway , bad luck is normal in game & I can surely afford it , it won't be the reason for me to ask replay !

[hue]

I have a credit whenever I want to replay in this pbem !

Yes, Morris... and you have your credit to replay ONE turn whenever you like!!! I stand to my word. And now PLEASE don't kill my AAR !!

[Cybvep]

Well, I don't really care how you resolve this, but I sure as hell want this AAR to continue. It's been a blast so far.

[Morris]

Well, I don't really care how you resolve this, but I sure as hell want this AAR to continue. It's been a blast so far.

I see . I will try my best .

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Why would anyone want to replay turns? If you make a mistake and your opponent punishes you then you have to live with the consequences.

The exception is a situation where you're teaching a player to play the game. Then you can redo a turn if the move was very bad. You show the newbie player how you punish that move and give him a second chance.

[Cybvep]

If both players agree to replay a turn, I don't see a problem.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

For both to agree then one must have asked for it. In some circumstances I can see a person benefitting from the mistake offering his opponent to replay. Then it's ok to accept. I would never ask for a replay if I made a mistake.

[hue]

Hi Stauf. yes I agree ... but in a way I am a noob. I have done 15-20 games yet almost none to the very end... in this game for The First time getting Malta and did'nt know a partisan would spawn there... as there was no fights in that particular turn I was asking morris to redo it (also the game crashed with that partisan in morris turn too, remember morris!!!)... well maybe I was wrong and wanted a "perfect" game.... well then: sorry!

Anyway: I am in vacations till 19th and internet is very slow... I'll get back here later!

[Plaid]

<...>did'nt know a partisan would spawn there <...>

Well, it is UK core hex. Not only it does spawn partisans, but with increased probability.
I think situation in this AAR is now tricky - Hue created precedent, asking for replay to fix minor issue (partisan unit on Malta), and now Morris wants his payback to fix major issue (lost 1941-42 campaign on the east).
I don't know details of your private conversations, so I can't judge precisely, its just how it looks from here.