ZOI behind other BG

[HarryKonst]

Hello all,
I would like to ask you a question about the zone of interception.Can a BG that is positioned behind friendly evaders (e.g Cavalry behind psiloi) intercept an enemy BG charging those evaders, since the evaders will penetrate the "interceptors"?
I think not, the interception by definition has to interfere with the actual path of the chargers, not the one that will occur after penetration, but I would like to hear the clarification from more experienced members of this forum.
Thanks in advance-Harry

[berthier]

You are correct. Interception moves occur before evade and charge moves. In your example. as the "intercepting" cavalry BG cannot move into the charge path before the evaders evade, they cannot intercept.

[HarryKonst]

Thanks Christofer.

[awesum4]

I would be very careful about accepting this as gospel. In a couple of tournaments I've played in it has been ruled that an intercept charge can take place if there is a gap so the interceptors can see the chargers. For example if light horse charge light foot who are screening a line of knights, the knights can intercept unless the light horse are entirely screened by the light foot. In this case the knights move forward until they reach the light foot, the light foot then evade, then the light horse charge and must contact the knights.

Its quite difficult to explain in writing, but it seems to be a valid interpretation, it certainly was played that way, by some very highly regarded and ranked players.

We don't play it at my local club as we think its crap, but at tournaments we are aware of it, and avoid the situation.

[berthier]

Without a picture of the situation and just by the description you posted, you got hosed.

[petedalby]

As Berthier says, that seems totally wrong - whereabouts do you play?

[zoltan]

I think this is what Andre means.

Light Horse declare a charge on Light Foot. The Light Foot will evade when it comes to that part of the turn sequence. Because the Knights can see the Light Horse, they can opt to intercept forward up to their friendly Light Foot.

[Robert241167]

Hi guys

My two-penneth from the diagram posted.

The intercept must happen before the evade takes place. The intercepting BG is only able to move straight forward and is not able to drop back bases.

The BG in the diagram is not able to fulfil the above points therefore is not able to intercept.

Rob

[dave_r]

That "interpretation" of the intercept move is completely wrong as others have said - because when the knights have moved they haven't crossed the path of the charge (which at the time is to the front of the light foot) the knights can't therefore intercept.

[philqw78]

Mr Awesum4 the rules are very clear and you have been hosed as stated above.

[zoltan]

Hi guys

My two-penneth from the diagram posted.

The intercept must happen before the evade takes place. The intercepting BG is only able to move straight forward and is not able to drop back bases.

The BG in the diagram is not able to fulfil the above points therefore is not able to intercept.

Rob

Why do you say that Bob? In my diagran the knights have:
1. Moved before the LF has evaded
2. Moved straight forward approx 1.5 MU
3. Have not dropped back any bases

[philqw78]

They do not cross the path of the charge and the charge declared does not go into their intercpetion zone as there are troops in the way

[Robert241167]

Hi zoltan

In order to intercept the knights have to manage to get in front of the light foot before the light foot evade.

From the points I mentioned can you tell me how they will manage to do that?

Rob

[zoltan]

Hi zoltan

In order to intercept the knights have to manage to get in front of the light foot before the light foot evade.

From the points I mentioned can you tell me how they will manage to do that?

Rob

Well Robert I was merely picking you up on your two-penneth's worth. In that, you never said that "the knights must get in front of the light foot".

Now, you have introduced a new element - that the knights must get on front of the light foot. I'll just check my rule book on that....

[petedalby]

I don't have my rules to hand to be able to quote them accurately but it seems that you are playing this wrongly in NZ and possibly Oz ?

I agree with Rob, Dave & Phil. The interceptors move before evaders and must place themselves between the chargers and their intended target. This is clearly not possible in the example given.

[Robert241167]

Hi zoltan

Sorry if I came across a little harsh.

Under interception charges in the rule book it say "interceptors move before chargers" as well as listing 3 possible responses to charges in order: receive the charge; intercept the charge or evade.

From this it is played that the intercept happens before any evade move is made.

Hope that helps.

Rob

[zoltan]

Here's a fuller illustration (from memory both Andre and I have had this applied to us or at least witnessed it played).

Rules 9-12,13, & 14 (summarised)
To intercept, the knights:
1. must be able to interfere with the charge - check
2. must be able to see the chargers - check
3. can move up to 4 MUs - check
4. must not be a target of the charge - check (over 7 MUs from LH)
5. must move straight ahead without any formation changes - check
6. must cross the path of the chargers - check (the LH's charge path is straight ahead trying to catch the LF)
7. must stop short of the chargers - check

Once the Light Foot has evaded the Light Horse completes its charge move. Under no circumstances can they stop short or halt to avoid contacting interceptors.

[Robert241167]

Hi zoltan

I'm afraid you have it wrong.

Check charging with skirmishers.

Skirmishers must halt their charge 1 MU away from enemy to their front whom they would not normally be allowed to charge without a CMT.

Light horse cannot charge knights head on without a CMT so once the light foot evade through the knights the light horse stop 1 MU away if they did not have to pass a CMT to make the charge.

Rob

[zoltan]

Hi zoltan

I'm afraid you have it wrong.

Check charging with skirmishers.

Skirmishers must halt their charge 1 MU away from enemy to their front whom they would not normally be allowed to charge without a CMT.

Light horse cannot charge knights head on without a CMT so once the light foot evade through the knights the light horse stop 1 MU away if they did not have to pass a CMT to make the charge.

Rob

So how say you if I change the LH to cavalry?

[Robert241167]

The cavalry would hit the knights.

But this isn't the knights intercepting.

It is the cavalry revealing a new charge target after the light foot evade.

I personally would not be charging if cavalry as you can expect to then lose the BG.

I'm afraid that is it from me tonight as setting off for a competition early in the morning.

Rob