Elite replacements after starting a new campaign

[AP59]

I finished the 1939-1945 Early Blitzkriegs campaign and then I started the 1943-1945 Eastern Front campaign. After finishing the first scenario, I'm at the start of the second scenario suddenly allowed to get ALL my core units up to a strength of 15.

Why is that?

Doesn't that take the fun out of the game, because I've basically become invincible. What am I missing here?

[AP59]

60 views and nobody responded? Why? Is this a bug or am I asking for something obvious?

[Anfield]

Are you saying all your units have 5 star exp rating already? Did you change the advance rules options, giving them more exp?

[AP59]

Yes, they all have 5 stars already and I have no advanced rules options, because I'm still on 1.14.

I tried it again, I played the first scenario, I started the second and all my core units were at strength 10 or less and ALL of them have 5 stars:

[Kerensky]

What difficulty setting are you playing on when this occurred?

Because on Sergeant difficulty, the player is given a 200% experience bonus, meaning those pre-placed units of 1943 have their ~250 experience jumped to 500+. If the lowest difficulty level is giving you no challenge, well I'd say it's time to move up to a higher setting.

[Anfield]

Yeah dont know why that would happen. Youll have to wait till one of the devs reads this to find out if they know why.

[KeldorKatarn]

Keep the save games around, so the devs can try to reproduce this!

[Kerensky]

Not a bug to reproduce guys, the game has always worked this way. My first post has the explanation.

[KeldorKatarn]

Ah ok, missed that one... I was already guessing a difficulty setting thing here but intersting... definitely too low a setting then

[AP59]

Not a bug to reproduce guys, the game has always worked this way. My first post has the explanation.

Technically it might not be a bug, but when I have a hard time with the last 2 scenarios (had to replay) of the tutorial and end up with a grand total of about 1,600 prestige after 6 scenarios (about 266 prestige on average per scenario) and play this one and end after the first scenario with almost 21,000(!!) prestige while the manual claims that the 1943 campaigns are, and I quote, "more challenging and recommended to veteran players", then we could consider it a "bug".

With the 1939 campaign you start with 0 stars, so it makes it fun to reach 4 or even 5. In this campaign you start with 5 stars at the lowest level, 2 1/2 stars at the higher levels and 1 1/2 star at the highest level, so the number of stars you can gain is limited to 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 instead of 5. Why didn't you guys use the same approach as in the 1939 campaign?

[AP59]

Why can I always predict when developers will act as if they didn't read a comment?

[Tarrak]

Sorry AP59 but the whole "bug" is just you not understanding the game mechanics. Everything here is working like intended and working well. Your mistake is comparing the amount of prestige gained in early war scenarios to the amount gained in late wars scenarios. You need a lot less prestige early to keep going then you need later on. Buying a humble Panzer II may cost you 200 prestige, replacing two lost points of strength for it costs you 40 prestige. Now doing the same late war in a Tiger costs you around 1000 prestige to buy it and 200 prestige to replace the two points of strength. You simply need more prestige to keep the late war machinery going.

Another point you are missing is the fact that you are playing a very low difficulty setting. On such an easy setting the effect called "snowballing" kicks in very early and is very strong actually making late war scenarios easier then early war ones. Try to raise the difficulty level and you will get challenge in the late war scenarios.

[Kirby]

Why can I always predict when developers will act as if they didn't read a comment?

The lowest difficulty level you play on is doubling your start experience.

Also, Prestige is relative. A 1000 in '41 is equivalent to roughly 5000 in '43

[AP59]

The problem is not with the campaigns, it's with the tutorial, it's just poorly balanced in my opinion. If the tutorial wouldn't have been so difficult for beginners in the last 2 scenarios (I wasn't the only beginner struggling at the end) to get a decisive win on easy, then I would NEVER have have picked the easy level in the next campaign.


Just my 2 cents.

[Anfield]

The problem is not with the campaigns, it's with the tutorial, it's just poorly balanced in my opinion. If the tutorial wouldn't have been so difficult for beginners in the last 2 scenarios (I wasn't the only beginner struggling at the end) to get a decisive win on easy, then I would NEVER have have picked the easy level in the next campaign.


Just my 2 cents.

Thats true, ive seen other say that about the Tutorial. However this is a good reason to download the new patch 1.20 You can change the setting inbetween each battle as you play, you dont need to keep starting a campaign over. So id say do that and do some playing and see if that helps you find a balance to your games so you enjoy them more.

[hs1611]

What difficulty setting are you playing on when this occurred?

Because on Sergeant difficulty, the player is given a 200% experience bonus, meaning those pre-placed units of 1943 have their ~250 experience jumped to 500+. If the lowest difficulty level is giving you no challenge, well I'd say it's time to move up to a higher setting.

Shouldn't that 200% experience bonus apply only to experience gained?
Are you saying that the bonus is applied to the experience the units start the campaign with?

That may not be a bug, but it definitely is bad design, in my humble opinion of course...

[Tarrak]

The tutorial is being difficult? About which tutorial are we talking here? I don't remember any tutorial being even remotely difficult at all.

[KeldorKatarn]

Me neither.

[AP59]

The tutorial is being difficult? About which tutorial are we talking here? I don't remember any tutorial being even remotely difficult at all.

1. I didn't say that the tutorial was difficult, I said that it was difficult to get a decisive win in the last 2 scenarios.

2. Some misunderstandings of the game mechanics can have huge consequences in scenario 5 and 6 for beginners who seek a decisive victory, as I know from experience.

3. I wrote "I wasn't the only beginner struggling at the end", which is confirmed by Anfield

Thats true, ive seen other say that about the Tutorial.

4. Many customers like me never played the original Panzer General.

5. People who played Panzer General, most likely played similar games in the years after. I had no similar experience when I bought Panzer Corps, I just like the game called Risk and wanted to try something more advanced.

6. You and KeldorKatarn both played the original Panzer General years ago.

[Tarrak]

The tutorial is still a lot easier compared to the later missions. No matter at which skill level you start really. If you feel differently it's not because it isn't the case but because you learned at least the basics lessons and are starting to be a lot more efficient. Go back now and replay the tutorial with your current skill and compare it again to the later missions. You will find it probably trival. It's kind like learning to drive a bike in real life. The first few kilometers until you learned to keep balance and not fall over seems like the hardest you ever did but it isn't really the case.