For beautiful gaming tables

nicofig · Post by **nicofig** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:42 am

It's a good idea Lawrence

jdm · Post by **jdm** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:24 am

In the end we abandoned giving prizes at Britcon for best terrain. To be frank there really was nothing in the competition games that was worth a prize.

We even extended it to commercially bought stuff but to no avail.

I am more than happy to reintroduce this at Britcon again this year, if you all promise to try

JDM

willb · Post by **willb** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:43 am

several of the conventions here in california have given prizes for best terrain, but it was usually for the non-competition games where there has been some really great terrain.

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:50 am

It is not just a question of lazyness, there is also the problem of transport. If you have to lug all this extra terrain about (and let's face it you wouldn't want it to get damaged) then it is a substantial effort to pack this terrain and lug it all about as well as the toys for travelling to a comp.

At a club it is easier (if you have storage) so the tables should be better, but whilst felt is decried, it is exceptionally light to carry, rolls up into a very small bundle and is very difficult to damage!

It may be better to get some peripheries to put ontop of the felt, but whilst FoG does not have the micro-management required by DBM, it is still important to have a rough idea of where the figures are!

sagji · Post by **sagji** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:02 pm

jdm wrote:In the end we abandoned giving prizes at Britcon for best terrain. To be frank there really was nothing in the competition games that was worth a prize.

We even extended it to commercially bought stuff but to no avail.

I am more than happy to reintroduce this at Britcon again this year, if you all promise to try

JDM

Maybe the "prize" should be for worst terrain - with the prize being a wooden spoon + plus a voucher for £5 off when you spend £15+ on terrain. Ideally with the prize awarded after the Saturday or Sunday morning game - so the "winner" can be "shown" to a suitable trade stand, given the "option" of buying better terrain, and the picture of them buying the new terrain published in the winners photo shoot.

Or maybe official FoG terrain packs (in the same way as you have official figures) - a base pack for each category (urban, agriculture, etc.) - containing the two complusary plus 4 optionals. And some booster packs.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:10 pm

Terrain packs are maybe a worth thinking about. Battlefront have done them for Flames of War.

I agree with Nik that peer pressure is the answer but a carrot as well as a stick can be nice too. So prizes might be a nice idea. I think the best rather than the worst should be rewarded though. Look at what Battlefront and GW do to encourage better presentation. They've been doing it for a long time. Poor visuals was always one of the biggest criticisisms of DBM tournaments, so it is probably something that needs addressing as the player base is largely the same.

For some ideas check out our web site or some of the other great ones on the web.

http://gallery.sswg.org/index.php?cat=4

Good terrain can be made cheaply and easily with things available in any DIY shop but people won't make the effort until the expected standard is raised.

regards,

Trev

spike · Post by **spike** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:09 pm

dave_r wrote:It is not just a question of lazyness, there is also the problem of transport. If you have to lug all this extra terrain about (and let's face it you wouldn't want it to get damaged) then it is a substantial effort to pack this terrain and lug it all about as well as the toys for travelling to a comp.

At a club it is easier (if you have storage) so the tables should be better, but whilst felt is decried, it is exceptionally light to carry, rolls up into a very small bundle and is very difficult to damage!

It may be better to get some peripheries to put ontop of the felt, but whilst FoG does not have the micro-management required by DBM, it is still important to have a rough idea of where the figures are!

Yep Dave used to find it awkward to carry dice, so terrain is definatley a problem

Spike

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:12 pm

What do you mean used to?

I still don't carry dice...

spike · Post by **spike** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:23 pm

If encouragement is not working, we could always try fear and/or humiliation -

Flashing dealy boppers, red clown nose, pink polka dot t-shirt etc.

(and that's just for forgetting to get up early enough in the morning- Dave)

Spike

sagji · Post by **sagji** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:29 pm

trev wrote: I agree with Nik that peer pressure is the answer but a carrot as well as a stick can be nice too. So prizes might be a nice idea. I think the best rather than the worst should be rewarded though. Look at what Battlefront and GW do to encourage better presentation. They've been doing it for a long time. Poor visuals was always one of the biggest criticisisms of DBM tournaments, so it is probably something that needs addressing as the player base is largely the same.

regards,

Trev

I was working from JD's comment that even the "good" terrain wasn't really good enough.
But it would be possible to do a normal (i.e. not terrain) prize for the best + the wooden spoon as above for the worst.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:40 pm

spike wrote:If encouragement is not working, we could always try fear and/or humiliation -

Flashing dealy boppers, red clown nose, pink polka dot t-shirt etc.

(and that's just for forgetting to get up early enough in the morning- Dave)

Spike

And how does this differ from the team bunny ears we had to traipse around Cork to buy another set of because Dave lost the one he had in Pisa?

So why are you wearing bunny ears?
Because I am the team bunny.
What does that mean?
Well I got the lowest score of our team in the last round.
Oh, so what did you get then?
Well I won 10-0.
Really, so the others won 10-0 as well then?
Yes

It got silly when Tim had to wear the bunny ears depsite three consecutive 10-0s

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:59 pm

hammy wrote:
And how does this differ from the team bunny ears we had to traipse around Cork to buy another set of because Dave lost the one he had in Pisa?

Was that the day you couldn't wear shoes that were a pair?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:22 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:
hammy wrote:
And how does this differ from the team bunny ears we had to traipse around Cork to buy another set of because Dave lost the one he had in Pisa?

Was that the day you couldn't wear shoes that were a pair?

That would be the one and why I had to wear the ears in the first game