Fake Hussars

[MatteoPasi]

Hy,
a couple of doubta about Polish fake Hussars:
1. FH must be deployed 12" from the side (as all others Mob) or it's possible to debloy like real Hussars on sides ?
2. Is It possible to have Brigade move with FH and mounted toghether ?
Thanks
Matteo

[rbodleyscott]

Hy,
a couple of doubta about Polish fake Hussars:
1. FH must be deployed 12" from the side (as all others Mob) or it's possible to debloy like real Hussars on sides ?

They can deploy within 12 MU of the side edges as stated in their army lists. [Previous erroneous answer amended]

2. Is It possible to have Brigade move with FH and mounted toghether ?

No

[MatteoPasi]

Thanks

[quackstheking]

Richard,

At the risk of arguing with the Rules Writer, I disagree about where the Fake Hussars can be deployed!!!

In both Clash of Empires and Duty and Glory, the statement about FH's says:

"Players using fake hussars can deploy hussar bases, which must be replaced by bases depicting mob or peasants on poor mounts as soon as enemy within 6MU's can see them. They can be deployed within 12 MUs of a side table edge as if mounted troops. In all other repects they are treated like mob"

I have checked the Errata and nothing in there changes the above. Therefore as far as I can see, Fake Hussars can deploy in the side zones!!

(ducks and runs for cover!!!)

Don

[rbodleyscott]

At the risk of arguing with the Rules Writer, I disagree about where the Fake Hussars can be deployed!!!

In both Clash of Empires and Duty and Glory, the statement about FH's says:

"Players using fake hussars can deploy hussar bases, which must be replaced by bases depicting mob or peasants on poor mounts as soon as enemy within 6MU's can see them. They can be deployed within 12 MUs of a side table edge as if mounted troops. In all other repects they are treated like mob"

I have checked the Errata and nothing in there changes the above. Therefore as far as I can see, Fake Hussars can deploy in the side zones!!

You are of course right, I did not have the list books to hand. Matteo, what Don says is correct. I will amend my original reply accordingly - which may make subsequent posts confusing but should save people the trouble of reading the whole thread to find the correct answer.

[MatteoPasi]

Thanks to both, It was mine faults (the right answer was in the books)

[ravenflight]

Hi All,

I was having a look at these guys, and I had some thoughts.

As it stands Fake Hussars appear to move 3MU 'as if mob', however the text states that they are on nags. I would therefore think that at the very least they could move 3 MU, and get 3 moves if that is your desire. Seeing that they are effectively mounted (crap, but mounted none-the-less) I would have thought that they COULD brigade move with other mounted.

I doubt that changes will be made, but without these two changes I don't see a use for Fake Hussars. Someone knowing that the list can have Fake Hussars and seeing troops not moving with a brigade that they could do so, or only moving 3MU would be mighty suspicious.

[rbodleyscott]

Hi All,

I was having a look at these guys, and I had some thoughts.

As it stands Fake Hussars appear to move 3MU 'as if mob', however the text states that they are on nags. I would therefore think that at the very least they could move 3 MU, and get 3 moves if that is your desire. Seeing that they are effectively mounted (crap, but mounted none-the-less) I would have thought that they COULD brigade move with other mounted.

I doubt that changes will be made, but without these two changes I don't see a use for Fake Hussars. Someone knowing that the list can have Fake Hussars and seeing troops not moving with a brigade that they could do so, or only moving 3MU would be mighty suspicious.

So don't use them then. They are only a historical footnote after all. They aren't meant to be generally effective.

[quackstheking]

It doesn't matter that they're fake, at 8pts they are a very cheap BG to boost your BG count.

However 2 possible uses (both of which I've used). Fact - everyone thinks you're using Fake Hussars, so:-

1) Have a real and a fake BG on both flanks and move them both at 3MU's - keep ur opponent guessing which is real.

2) Double bluff - use 3 Hussars and move the BG that ur opponent thinks is fake at 3 MU's and then accelerate at 15MU's in a bound!

However 8pts for a BG is a "No Brainer"

Don

[viperofmilan]

Being classified as mob, I don't think fake hussars can provide support for anyone.

Kevin

[gibby]

Agreed, but I don't think anyone is saying they can provide support.

cheers
Jim

[timmy1]

I have seen them used very effectively as bait. That BG of Hussars skulking behind the HW armed Arquebusiers must be the Fake Hussars so I can safely charge them with any old rubbish - you become so focussed on getting the cheap 2 AP that your plan goes out the window.

[ravenflight]

Agreed, but I don't think anyone is saying they can provide support.

cheers
Jim

Yes, and I find things like that problematic. For instance, you have to position them in such a way that they CANNOT give rear support, otherwise the game is up. I DO wonder if they would be a good "outflanking force" (just hope you don't roll a 6). I mean, put a BG of cossacks out with the Fake Hussars and suddenly you have a real threat and the obviously 'Fake Hussars' at the table edge must be ignored. Risky, but can pay off