Teutonic Army List help

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:02 am

Hi ,
Are the Teutonics covered in any of the books ? Any suggestions on how to get started on a list for them please ?

shall · Post by **shall** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:48 am

It is in the book being developed for the Ottoman era. A greatmix of armies in this period including steppe armies and medieval armies that faced them.

A good start will be 2 or 3 BG of the classic Knights each of 4 bases and 2-3 turcopole LH BGs of 4 bases each. This is central to the army however else you supplement it. Best not say much more at this stage though as its not published yet.

As an aside, it has been used in a number of beta test games and it does very nicely so if you like the history and figures start collecting and painting would be my advice.

Si

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:31 pm

Great , thanks .
I have wanted to do the army as I alrady have Mongols ...I just couldn't get them to work under DBM , so I thought FOG will be my chance .
I just bought some Mirliton figs to try some basing and painting theories

When will the book be out ?

Can't wait for the rules to hit Oz !

vsolfronk · Post by **vsolfronk** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:11 pm

Are the Teuts going to be forced to buy kneches (Reg CvI in DBMspeak), and what would those be?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:33 am

vsolfronk wrote:Are the Teuts going to be forced to buy kneches (Reg CvI in DBMspeak), and what would those be?

No, they are not compulsary but as they are mounted crossbowmen and not that shabby I suspect that most Teutonic armies will have them.

terrys · Post by **terrys** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:43 am

vsolfronk wrote:
Are the Teuts going to be forced to buy kneches (Reg CvI in DBMspeak), and what would those be?

No, they are not compulsary but as they are mounted crossbowmen and not that shabby I suspect that most Teutonic armies will have them.

Mounted crossbow don't get the raw deal that they do in DBM.
They are usually cavalry, average, protected/armoured, crossbow, sword.
Useful for shooting/evading against knights, and also good against MF in the open, for charging flanks, and for keeping LH at bay.
Best used in BGs of 4.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:10 pm

terrys wrote:Mounted crossbow don't get the raw deal that they do in DBM.
They are usually cavalry, average, protected/armoured, crossbow, sword.
Useful for shooting/evading against knights, and also good against MF in the open, for charging flanks, and for keeping LH at bay.
Best used in BGs of 4.

I think these guys are my favorite part of the med german beta list. Quite a useful but peculiar BG.

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:57 pm

We haven't mentioned infantry yet . Spears and skilled swordsmen ?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:01 pm

Amra wrote:We haven't mentioned infantry yet . Spears and skilled swordsmen ?

The bulk of the foot are defensive spearmen or crossbow.

Skilled swordsmen are not a feature of many armies, so far I can only think of Roman style legionaries, Gladiators and Medieval sword and buckler men. There will probably be more eventually but to be honest most of the time swordsman is enough. Spears don't get sword, they get spear at impact and spear in melee.

Steady spear are better than sword, disrupted or disordered spear are equal to sword and fragmented spear are worse than sword. It does make for interesting tussles between sword and spear troops.

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:01 am

Thanks , Im too excited for a grown man about these rules

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I hope to organise a get to know them tourney at my Melbourne club March/April .

Dismounted Ritterbruder would be ..?

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:11 am

Dismounted Ritterbruder would be ..?

As it stands, the list notes don't say they can dismount

The mounted arm of this army has grown/improved since DBM, allowing you up to 28 bases of knightly types (excluding commanders)... remembering that this is subject to change!

mannmarke · Post by **mannmarke** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:47 am

Amra wrote:Thanks , Im too excited for a grown man about these rules .
I hope to organise a get to know them tourney at my Melbourne club March/April .

Dismounted Ritterbruder would be ..?

Which club in Melbourne is thinking of a tourney in March/April?

Mark

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:34 am

League of Ancients http://www.leagueofancients.org.au/

We meet the 3rd Sunday in the month , all historical games welcomed . Great food and beer ( German ! ) .

Located in Windsor , a short walk from Chapel St Backpackers .

mannmarke · Post by **mannmarke** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:49 am

Great count me in...

Yep I have been there a few times great spot.

Cheers Mark

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:04 am

list_lurker wrote:
Dismounted Ritterbruder would be ..?
As it stands, the list notes don't say they can dismount

Mounted knights are good enough in FoG that you won't want to dismount them often anyway, particularly as troops can only dismount at deployment time. Dismounting just isn't the "utility" feature that it is in DBM. In my test games I have hardly ever dismounted troops that the list permits to dismount.

neilhammond · Post by **neilhammond** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:24 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:In my test games I have hardly ever dismounted troops that the list permits to dismount.

Ditto. I found that my Mongols stay firmly on their horse. Why give up a perfectly serviceable escape vehicle?

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:26 pm

Good

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:09 pm

Amra wrote:Great , thanks .
...
I just bought some Mirliton figs to try some basing and painting theories
When will the book be out ?

Can't wait for the rules to hit Oz !

Is your theory: "Is white the hardest colour to paint well?"

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:33 pm

LOL

, yeah that is my Everest .

I'm thinking undercoat black , white possibly drybrush , possibly block painted . Red or yellow secondary colour to separate units , chainmail ,weak black wash ....let you know when I do a sample

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:51 am

Amra wrote:I'm thinking undercoat black , white possibly drybrush , possibly block painted .

That sounds good.

I was thinking: White primer, heavy wash of black (heavy enough to fill crevices but partially show white through on the highlights) then block paint.

I wonder which would work better.

(Trying to avoid the highlighting phase).

Teutonic Army List help

Teutonic Army List help

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