First impressions

nicofig · Post by **nicofig** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:45 am

It's a pity

malekithau · Post by **malekithau** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:58 am

Shame that

fukateesays · Post by **fukateesays** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:45 am

Will the sheet be perforated for easy removal? I'm loathe to risk breaking the spine (of the book!!) by photocopying and I personally would be more than happy to purchase a separately produced sheet.

davem · Post by **davem** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:45 am

iainmcneil wrote:We have no plans to relese a download sheet and we would not expect to see anyone else breaking the law by uploading one.

Iain,

Can you explain why that has been decided? For my part I think that's a short-sighted decision and a real shame.
However I agree that your IP has a right to protection and I would not suggest anyone posted such a download without approval. I just can't see that a QRS is really any threat to the main body of the rules.

Regards

Dave M

davem · Post by **davem** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:47 am

davem wrote:
iainmcneil wrote:We have no plans to relese a download sheet and we would not expect to see anyone else breaking the law by uploading one.
Iain,

Can you explain why that has been decided? For my part I think that's a short-sighted decision and a real shame.
However I agree that your IP has a right to protection and I would not suggest anyone posted such a download without approval.
I just can't see that a QRS is really any threat to the main body of the rules. IIRC all the old WRG rules and many others as well had QRS. Is it only the DBx family of rules that didn't provide them?

Regards

Dave M

mannmarke · Post by **mannmarke** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:08 pm

Well that’s a pity and also signals what the attitude will be to a quick play set to I take it.

mannmarke · Post by **mannmarke** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:11 pm

I have a copy and the QRS sheets are not perforated???

carlos · Post by **carlos** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:23 pm

iainmcneil wrote:We have no plans to relese a download sheet and we would not expect to see anyone else breaking the law by uploading one.

Welcome to the Internet...

pcelella · Post by **pcelella** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:34 pm

davem wrote:
iainmcneil wrote:We have no plans to relese a download sheet and we would not expect to see anyone else breaking the law by uploading one.
Iain,

Can you explain why that has been decided? For my part I think that's a short-sighted decision and a real shame.
However I agree that your IP has a right to protection and I would not suggest anyone posted such a download without approval. I just can't see that a QRS is really any threat to the main body of the rules.

Regards

Dave M

I also wouldn't suggest that anyone violate the law by infringing on IP rights, but I also agree that this is a very short sighted decision. I could understand not releasing the sheet for download before publication, but afterwards, such a sheet would be a valuable tool for new players. I can't imagine it would cost the publishers sales - you would still need the book to fully comprehend the rules, and who wouldn't want the artwork anyway. Besides, many of the new players may indeed be people completely new to historical miniature gaming - who wouldn't want to make their initial gaming experience as smooth as possible. In my mind, it would seem that the easier the game is to get into for newcomers, the more players (and purchasers) there will be that come on board.

Geez! Even Battlefront has a download of a QRS on their website for Flames of War

Peter C

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:15 pm

Greetings

I started to write a long email on this but decided this was counter-productive.

I think Slitherine really needs to address this issue. There are various approaches (e.g. free black and white pdf, cheap colour download pdf, laminated copies direct or from retailers).

Regards

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:20 pm

mannmarke wrote:Well that’s a pity and also signals what the attitude will be to a quick play set to I take it.

How do you come to that conclusion?

tors · Post by **tors** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:19 pm

Oh dear! Slitherine flexes is muscles, well I've copied the reference sheets and intend to use them. When I've made a better reference sheet I'll use that too.

Kingo

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:22 pm

Nothing stopping you doing that, and nothing illegal about it. Slitherine have only said that they are not intending to have a sheet for download.

tors · Post by **tors** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:33 pm

Thats great, I must have my wires crossed. I' not very proficient with xls stuff so perhaps some kind soul can send me their attempt at a cheat sheet. To :-
tors@hotmail.com

Kingo

stevoid · Post by **stevoid** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:42 pm

The question is, are the final rules any different from what is printed on the QRS we got with the beta packs? If not, then I'll continue to use those.

BTW - we're finding that we don't even need to look at the QRS very often during games - references to the book for unusual situations would be more common. I'd have liked a perforated QRS to remove from my rules but I'll live without it and that'll be one less item of clutter on the table.

Steve

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:38 am

I've actually found that the rule book is such a handy size that using the QRFs in the back without taking them out is just fine - not sure I'll bother with having separate ones.

mannmarke · Post by **mannmarke** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:44 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
mannmarke wrote:Well that’s a pity and also signals what the attitude will be to a quick play set to I take it.
How do you come to that conclusion?

If they are not prepared to do a QRS they will hardly be interested in a quick play set downloadable in pdf.

But I supose it will be another seperate rule set which will cost thats all.

In these early days I can just see becoming very expensive just for rules and lists as the two books I have 26 armys in SOA and 18 armys in ROR.

Cheers
Mark

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:13 pm

Greetings

nikgaukroger wrote:I've actually found that the rule book is such a handy size that using the QRFs in the back without taking them out is just fine - not sure I'll bother with having separate ones.

Interesting. I'll wait and see what the book looks like - maybe not so much of a potential issue then.

Regards

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:07 pm

kustenjaeger wrote:Greetings

nikgaukroger wrote:I've actually found that the rule book is such a handy size that using the QRFs in the back without taking them out is just fine - not sure I'll bother with having separate ones.
Interesting. I'll wait and see what the book looks like - maybe not so much of a potential issue then.

Regards

Having had another look at the book the reference sheets are all at the back of the book and the book will lie flat on the table if needed. Bearing in mind that most of the reference sheet info is easily learnt it may well be not an issue. That said I am sure some people will make them.