good historical asymmetric pairings

[highlandbevan]

I love the pike and shot era - but a lot of battles are between fairly similar armies.

Which historical matchups would you recommend that give a good fight between different styles of army?
So not one where the difference is a big inbuilt superiority.

Thanks,
Bevan

[ravenflight]

I love the pike and shot era - but a lot of battles are between fairly similar armies.

Which historical matchups would you recommend that give a good fight between different styles of army?
So not one where the difference is a big inbuilt superiority.

Thanks,
Bevan

If you wanted to retain P&S, surely Ottomans vs Austrians or Poles vs Russians or more European style Swedes & Germans would work, no?

[Vespasian28]

We are finding Trastamaran Spanish vs French(or similar) very interesting. Weeny little Spanish units with not much good cavalry but plenty of old fashioned LH vs chuffing great Kiels and pesky gendarmes. Both Spanish and French have access to lots of Superior troops so it is a clash of doctrines.

[highlandbevan]

All those suggestions sound good; do the armies give 50/50 battles under FoGR, or does one army always struggle? E.g. in ancients Romans and Parthians are very different but its not much fun being a Roman Infantry army.
Happy with suggestions for FoGR not including P&S Too.

[ravenflight]

All those suggestions sound good; do the armies give 50/50 battles under FoGR, or does one army always struggle? E.g. in ancients Romans and Parthians are very different but its not much fun being a Roman Infantry army.
Happy with suggestions for FoGR not including P&S Too.

From my (very) limited experience I could say with fairly good confidence that the Poles vs European P&S would give 50:50 battles.

I think 'generally' this would be a fairly even battle. It would be buttock clenching for the German player on impact vs the Polish mounted, but if they don't disrupt it's all over for the Poles (slowly). If they DO disrupt they'll disappear like snow in the sun.

The Polish style infantry regiments would give the German infantry units a run for their money but you would have less of them so are likely to get shot up a bit. You could limit this somewhat by taking German style infantry regiments instead. This then goes back to the boring P&S vs P&S, but lowers the risk of one dominating over the other.

Naturally you're always going further and further out on a limb if you get more and more exotic armies... but with experience you will know how to deal with a lot of the problems that come up.

[daveallen]

Poles and Swedes, Japanese and Koreans, and just about any Americans v appropriate European colonists should all give good asymmetric games.

The Roman/Parthian problem is not so great in FoGR because of the lethality of foot and artillery shooting. Unless you're facing an Alasdair.

Dave

[timmy1]

Very early Italian Wars - say pre 1522 the armies are very different - and there are loads of historical battles to refight.

Russians vs Poles if you are using armies like those at Klushino are very different.

European expeditions to North Africa are very different to the norm.

Middle 80 years war armies (think Neuport) can be quite different.