Differences between Drilled and Undrilled skirmishers in V2

[Martin0112]

It seems that in V2.0 there are now differences between drilled and undrilled skirmishers (in V1.0 there was obviously no difference)
In the chapter 'Moving through friendly troops' on the 5th bulletpoint it's said:
"Routers (after their initial rout move) can pass through drilled friends provided that the first part of the friendly battle group contacted is the front edge or front corner."

Understanding this right, this means that routers hitting undrilled skirmishers will break through if they cannot avoid hitting them.
Is this correct or is there simply missing 'can move though drilled friends or skirmishers'

This is for sure an open point, as until now, nobody cared about the training of the skirmishers

[LEmpereur]

Understanding this right, this means that routers hitting undrilled skirmishers will break through if they cannot avoid hitting them....

Unless the interpenetration is allowed through undrilled LF in the right way

[Martin0112]

It is not allowed for MF, HF, Knights, cataphract or heavy chariots, so I think it's worth having an idea on what is the correct way to play.

[grahambriggs]

The correct way to play (paraphrased) is:

Routers unable to avoid friends in the JAP (even bearing in mind in the JAP you may shift by up to 2 base widths):

- interpenetrate drilled friends if they hit the front edge or corner first. e.g. knights in JAP can interpenetrate drilled LF if they hit the front first.

- interpenetrate undrilled friends if so allowed by the "moving through friendly troops" rules and any army list rules: e.g undrilled LF routing in JAP can interpenetrate knights but not vice versa.

- if routers can't interpenetrate or avoid, they'll busrt through.

[philqw78]

So the points need to be amended to make drilled LF 0.03 points more expensive per BG.

[Martin0112]

Exactly this is the point, Phil.
Untill now it doesn't matter if the LF or the LH is undrilled or not, they cost the same, they can do the same,in some army lists it's even stated that they maybe drilled or undrilled, and now this is really a difference (and for some armies it can be a big difference!)

Is this agreed with the rule-writers that this is correct?

[grahambriggs]

Exactly this is the point, Phil.
Untill now it doesn't matter if the LF or the LH is undrilled or not, they cost the same, they can do the same,in some army lists it's even stated that they maybe drilled or undrilled, and now this is really a difference (and for some armies it can be a big difference!)

Is this agreed with the rule-writers that this is correct?

Well, it is in the rules. Why do you need authors to agree?

It's a small difference and, generally, the armies that have drilled skirmishes have them because the main army is drilled. So it will be more the case that regular armies can do multiple lines more easily and that just happens to include their skirmishers.

[philqw78]

Nope I insist that a cost of 0.03 points is added to the cost of every drilled LF BG. And I will enforce that ruling in every competition I run during the next 30 minutes.

[rbodleyscott]

Nope I insist that a cost of 0.03 points is added to the cost of every drilled LF BG. And I will enforce that ruling in every competition I run during the next 30 minutes.

Quite.

[kevinj]

I can't see something that may help your LF when your proper troops are running away as a great advantage. I certainly don't think it's worth 0.03 pts, especially given how hard it is already to use your exact points allocation...

[ravenflight]

Nope I insist that a cost of 0.03 points is added to the cost of every drilled LF BG. And I will enforce that ruling in every competition I run during the next 30 minutes.

NickW wont be going in that comp then

[ShrubMiK]

Norty!

[Vespasian28]

Nope I insist that a cost of 0.03 points is added to the cost of every drilled LF BG.

0.03 points! Are you mad?

A far better cost in my opinion is 0.025 points per drilled LF BG and then only on Sundays during Lent as a penance for being such slippery blighters.

[gozerius]

But what about all those LF in non-Christian armies? Surely you can't legislate morality on them?!!!