Russian Baltic ports!!!

[Hott]

After the last game update, Russia in Baltic sea has only one port in Riga!!!

But the main base of the Baltic Fleet was then : St. Petersburg, Helsinki (Helsingfors) and Tallinn (Reval).

Riga was just a secondary base.

Why was cleaned port in Helsinki (Helsingfors)?

[stockwellpete]

Agree Helsinki should remain a port. Also, Russia does not have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd. Should it?

[Hott]

Russia does not have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd. Should it?-YES!!! In the Gulf of Finland based Russian destroyers, mine fields across the bay.
Helsinki should remain a port. Also, of course Russia should have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd!!!!

[stockwellpete]

Russia does not have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd. Should it?-YES!!! In the Gulf of Finland based Russian destroyers, mine fields across the bay.
Helsinki should remain a port. Also, of course Russia should have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd!!!!

Yes, I agree very much. Russia had coastal batteries, minefields and smaller ships just like the other great powers. It had lost most of its fleet at Tsushima in 1905 but it was re-building it very quickly before the war.

EDIT: from Wikipedia

Reconstruction prior to World War I

At the end of the Russo-Japanese War in 1905, Russia fell from being the third greatest naval power to sixth place. The focus of Russian naval activities shifted back from the Far East to the Baltic. Baltic Fleet's task was to defend Baltic Sea and Saint Petersburg from the Germans.

Tsar Nicholas II created a Naval General Staff in 1906. At first, attention was directed to creation of mine-laying and a submarine fleet. An ambitious expansion program was put before the Duma in 1907-1908 but was voted down. The Bosnian Crisis of 1909 forced a strategic reconsideration, and new Gangut class battleships, cruisers, and destroyers were ordered for the Baltic Fleet. A worsening of relations with Turkey meant that new ships including the Imperatritsa Mariya class battleships were also ordered for the Black Sea Fleet. The total Russian naval expenditure from 1906-1913 was $519 million, in fifth place behind Britain, Germany,the United States and France.

The re-armament program included a significant element of foreign participation with several ships (including the cruiser Rurik) and machinery ordered from foreign firms. After the outbreak of World War I, ships and equipment being built in Germany were confiscated. Equipment from Britain was slow in reaching Russia or was diverted to the Western Allies' own war effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Navy

[Hott]

Baltic sea ports

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Please make a historically true Baltic ports map!!!

See map in the attached file:

[Hott]

Main base of the Baltic Fleet was then : St. Petersburg, Helsinki (Helsingfors) and Tallinn (Reval).

1) St. Petersburg(Kronshtadt)-main base of the Baltic Fleet since the founding of the Baltic Navy in 1703

2) Helsinki (Helsingfors) -battle-fleet

3)Tallinn (Reval)-cruisers and submarines

[stockwellpete]

Hott, how would you represent the Russian fleet in the game in 1914? At the moment they have a battleship unit in Baltic and a cruiser unit in Black Sea, but they have no submarines at all. Seeing that they lost nearly all their pre-dreadnoughts at Tsushima and were building Gangut and Imperitritsa (?) Mariya class dreadnoughts before 1914 ( only four of each, I believe) should they really have a battleship unit in the Baltic? Maybe a cruiser, and possibly a submarine, would be a better representation of the Russian fleet? What do you think?

[Hott]

I think we need to return the balance of power in the Black Sea.
Turkish navy and Goeben (even Goeben). -I have created a separate topic about it!

And Russia to return the port in Helsinki, by the way battleships should be based there, and not in Riga.
During the game, Russia may build a new ship

[Hott]

Hott, how would you represent the Russian fleet in the game in 1914? At the moment they have a battleship unit in Baltic and a cruiser unit in Black Sea, but they have no submarines at all. Seeing that they lost nearly all their pre-dreadnoughts at Tsushima and were building Gangut and Imperitritsa (?) Mariya class dreadnoughts before 1914 ( only four of each, I believe) should they really have a battleship unit in the Baltic? Maybe a cruiser, and possibly a submarine, would be a better representation of the Russian fleet? What do you think?

Seeing that they lost nearly all their pre-dreadnoughts at Tsushima and were building Gangut and Imperitritsa (?) Mariya class dreadnoughts before 1914 ( only four of each, I believe) should they really have a battleship unit in the Baltic? -Not only 4 battleships! 4 only modern battleships! But what about old battleships like Slava ,Cesarevich(Grazhdanini) and others? I think it is OK with Russian battleship in Baltic.

[stockwellpete]

Not only 4 battleships! 4 only modern battleships! But what about old battleships like Slava ,Cesarevich(Grazhdanini) and others? I think it is OK with Russian battleship in Baltic.

OK, if the battleship unit is Ok in the Baltic, should they have anything else? Probably not, I would guess. Is the cruiser unit OK for the Black Sea fleet?

Here are some links to the pre-dreadnought battleships you mentioned. I had not heard of them before . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battleship_Slava
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ba ... sesarevich

[Hott]

OK, if the battleship unit is Ok in the Baltic, should they have anything else? Probably not, I would guess. Is the cruiser unit OK for the Black Sea fleet?


I agree- battleship unit is enough for the Baltic Fleet.

Is the cruiser unit OK for the Black Sea fleet? - I think yes! Imperitritsa Mariya class battleships was not completed by 1914. Were put into operation in 1915,1917

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperatrit ... battleship



Unlike the beta version removed the battle cruiser Goeben and the cruiser Breslau(German cruiser in the Mediterranean Sea).
But these cruisers have played a major role in the battles on the Black Sea.
Especially since the game does not implement fleet Turkey. And it was.

Goeben and Breslau

As Captain Rauf Bey and his men were on their way from Britain to Turkey on board Reşit Paşa, two German battle cruisers, Goeben and Breslau entered the Dardanelles. They were the German Navy's Mittelmeerdivision (Mediterranean Division) under the command of Admiral Wilhelm Souchon. These two warships were being pursued by the British fleet and had asked for permission to enter the Turkish straits.

http://www.turkeyswar.com/navy.html

[Umeu]

Agree Helsinki should remain a port. Also, Russia does not have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd. Should it?

it does have a green spot near helsinki, but not up to petrograd because there is no port there. i suppose the reason for that is that you cannot attack the city with a battleship if there was or land a unit into it in 1 go.

[Hott]

Agree Helsinki should remain a port. Also, Russia does not have a green dot zone up by Helsinki and Petrograd. Should it?

it does have a green spot near helsinki, but not up to petrograd because there is no port there. i suppose the reason for that is that you cannot attack the city with a battleship if there was or land a unit into it in 1 go.

After the last game update, Russia in Baltic sea has only one port in Riga!!!

Why was cleaned port in Helsinki (Helsingfors)?

it does have a green spot near helsinki, but not up to petrograd because there is no port there. -NO GREEN dot zone!!!

i suppose the reason for that is that you cannot attack the city with a battleship if there was or land a unit into it in 1 go.-What do you mean?

Helsinki port technically don't have green dot zone because it is considered "occupied" hex with finnish nationality.
By the way it is strange - why hexes in Poland or Baltic States are considered Russian core hexes, whats so special about Finland?

Finland in 1914 is the same Russian territory(since 1809) as Poland(since 1815).Baltic States since 1721. So you need to make Finland a part of Russian territory.
Austria-Hungary is not divided into native and occupied areas(CZECH REPUBLIC FOR EXAMPLE!)

[Myrddraal]

Hi Hott,

Thanks for posting, we've seen your message, no need to post the same text again

[Hott]

Hi Hott,

Thanks for posting, we've seen your message, no need to post the same text again

OK. We hope that you consider our historical comments.
Please think the same way of the Turkish fleet-Turkish fleet was certainly not less than the Danish. The Danish cruiser presented!
1914 Turkish fleet list: http://www.turkeyswar.com/navy.html

[kirk23]

Hi Hott,

Thanks for posting, we've seen your message, no need to post the same text again

OK. We hope that you consider our historical comments.
Please think the same way of the Turkish fleet-Turkish fleet was certainly not less than the Danish. The Danish cruiser presented!
1914 Turkish fleet list: http://www.turkeyswar.com/navy.html

Hi guys I have been reading your comments about Baltic ports,well if you checkout the Matrix forum,I have just added a new port at Petrograd,Helsinki according to the game is in Finland,as for Turkey I'm modding their fleet at the moment also,I have added pre-dreadnoughts to the game,they can't be built in game,so what you start with thats it,Myrddraal in another thread somewhere,I can't remember where stated that you can mod the units starting strenghts,if thats the case Russia could start the game with a reduced strenght Battleship unit say 7 or 8 maybe,anyway Russia now has a green dot area at PETROGRAD.

Replace the Constructions.Lua file in game with this updated file.

File location = Slitherene/Commander The Great War/Data/Scripts

[Hott]

kirk23, Thank you very much!