Your Favourite army

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:31 am

OctavianC30 wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:We're currently looking at HCh for the Mykenaians - based on their apparant "close combat" approach rather than the "horse archer" approach of the maryannu style chariotry.

Spearmen with the large shields will be Protected.
Presumably with the Dendra panoply in mind?
I feel that by the LH111 they should be classed as similar to Gaulish or British chariots - compare Caesar's description with Homer....

Agreed. The HCh classification is only for the earlier ones

vsolfronk · Post by **vsolfronk** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:25 pm

Just out of mild interest, how are the Ancient British handled? Will there be a chariot flavored version, and a foot flavored version of the army?

dandiggler · Post by **dandiggler** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:35 pm

I like a lot of the 15th Eastern/Central European stuff. Anything from Tannenberg to Vlad fighting the Turks. I especially like the Hussites, they're my current project for WAB, although I'd love to build an army in 15mm for this. How can you not love zealots with flails, gonnes, and war wagons?!

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:59 pm

vsolfronk wrote:
Just out of mild interest, how are the Ancient British handled? Will there be a chariot flavored version, and a foot flavored version of the army?

The list allows both combinations and one that is a mix of chariots and infantry

It will be in the Legions Triumphant book.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:01 pm

dandiggler wrote:
I like a lot of the 15th Eastern/Central European stuff. Anything from Tannenberg to Vlad fighting the Turks. I especially like the Hussites, they're my current project for WAB, although I'd love to build an army in 15mm for this. How can you not love zealots with flails, gonnes, and war wagons?!

Hussites are in the Rise of the Ottomans book. 15mm figures are readily available for this army, plus of course you'll be able to use your WAB army in "big toys" games I would think. Roger Greenwood has used them in 15mm games and thinks the army is quite playable

bahdahbum · Post by **bahdahbum** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:47 pm

As for favorite armies, I was wondering about the Nicephorian Byzantine army .Up to now, the byzantine infantry seems tobe considered as protected . From the relativly recent book Byzantine infantryman 902-1204, Osprey Warrior 118 it seems, if I read correctly that mail and scale armour was in use and rather common . So the byzantine infantryman should be armoured or offered the option to be so equiped .
Does anyone know if there is historic evidence for the more heavily armoured first ranks of byzantine nfantry ( the old SHI of WRG ) ?

Jacques

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:11 pm

Mail and lamellar was indeed quite common - but for the cavalry

It does not, IMO, appear to have been that common amongst the infantry, depictions of warrior saints not withstanding. The Nikeforian infantry are Protected.

For those interested this link - http://www.levantia.com.au/military/armour.html - has some reconstructions.

bahdahbum · Post by **bahdahbum** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:45 pm

Then protected it shall be . thank's for the link

bahdahbum · Post by **bahdahbum** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:33 pm

Well, it is the same autor, Timothy Dawson...nice but the osprey book is about INFANTRYMAN , not CAVALRYMAN : what it says is that mail and scalled armor is common for infrantryman but it is less clear on the internet site .

He does state however that when mail and scale was not available , padded armor would be used .

As I like byzantine armies, I will of course have a tendancy for the better for byzantine armies

, but I cannot keep wondering . The tagmata was composed of cavalry and infantry, so would the tagmata infantry not be better equipped and be armoured ?

Most of my sources are "outdated" books , I have not managed to get some of the new ones such as " dragon's teeth " (part of the title ), unavailable .

So my personnal feeling is that byzantine INF should be either protected or armoured ( even if only for the tagmata units which were the standing professional army after all) .
The former SHI of WRG was perhaps an exageration, but I suspect that limiting byzantine INF is an exageration also, armoured is more probable .

Varangians are another story .

There is question about a peltastes , kind of medium infantry unit which should be protected at maximum .

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:44 pm

We have preferred to follow the Praecepta of Phokas and the Taktika of Ouranos on this which don't even mention metallic armour for infantry, not even in the Strategikon way of "if available the front rankls wear metal armour". This all rather suggests that the reality was that metal armour was not worn by many infantry - and recall that the armour category of a base is the average protection so that even if the front rank, say, was heavily armoured that would not mean that the whole BG would get that classification.

bahdahbum · Post by **bahdahbum** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:43 pm

I stand corrected sir

iamspamus · Post by **iamspamus** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:41 pm

Hey guys, new to the site, but I have a couple of favorites probably in order:

-Ottoman Turks - any period
-Samurai - not the best army, but fun to play and colorful
-Tupi - at least under DBM with Bow(S). These guys were CRAZY to play. One huge blob and steam roller forward. Never had the figs, but used Indians from India. Oh well.
-Egyptians - from NKE through Fatimids

Ciao!
Jason

iamspamus · Post by **iamspamus** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:43 pm

Hussites are in the Rise of the Ottomans book. 15mm figures are readily available for this army, plus of course you'll be able to use your WAB army in "big toys" games I would think. Roger Greenwood has used them in 15mm games and thinks the army is quite playable

Any clue as too the timing of the release for the "Rise of the Ottomans"?

Thanks,
Jason

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:54 pm

iamspamus wrote:Any clue as too the timing of the release for the "Rise of the Ottomans"?

Second half of 2008.

iamspamus · Post by **iamspamus** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:22 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
iamspamus wrote:Any clue as too the timing of the release for the "Rise of the Ottomans"?
Second half of 2008.

Cool, thanks. That one's on my list. Have you run Mamelukes? What about Samurai?

Jason

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:41 pm

iamspamus wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
iamspamus wrote:Any clue as too the timing of the release for the "Rise of the Ottomans"?
Second half of 2008.
Cool, thanks. That one's on my list. Have you run Mamelukes? What about Samurai?

Jason

I have run Mamelukes, yes, and lots of similar bow armed cavalry armies, and they were great fun. I haven't run Samurai.

iamspamus · Post by **iamspamus** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:34 pm

iamspamus wrote:Hey guys, new to the site, but I have a couple of favorites probably in order:

-Ottoman Turks - any period
-Samurai - not the best army, but fun to play and colorful
-Tupi - at least under DBM with Bow(S). These guys were CRAZY to play. One huge blob and steam roller forward. Never had the figs, but used Indians from India. Oh well.
-Egyptians - from NKE through Fatimids

Ciao!
Jason

Two changes
-Egyptians - from NKE to Mamelukes!
- Assyrians (forgot them)

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:50 am

Greetings

In an overall terms i.e. not necessarily for FoG purposes which I haven't seen yet or indeed from the gaming perspective:

- Hoplite Greek focussing on c. 450-400 BC
- Syracusan c. 264 BC
- Thematic Byzantine c. 950 AD
- First/Second Punic War Roman

Regards

Edward

pezhetairoi · Post by **pezhetairoi** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:54 am

My favourites are:

Alexandrian -- the early one, before he went a little nuts.
This army is usually well treated in war games, I'm not nervous.

Achaemenid Persian (early/late) -- always an underdog army.

I'm hoping the Persians will be able to supply more than just numbers.
I play WARRIOR (WRG 7th+) and I've always been disappointed with the javelin cavalry treatment. They were feared.
There is also a tendency to drop the bows (foot and mounted) for the late period, which I hope hasn't happened. I'm doubtful that the same people who used the bow for 1000+ years would drop it for 50-100 years , only to pick it up again for another 1000+ under new management. I know the bow is not mentioned in the Alexander texts often, but I think it was left as an assumption. I don't think they could have held-off the Saka without it.

Noel.

BlueHawk · Post by **BlueHawk** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:58 pm

My favorite armies and some questions:

NKE – Not concerned with the eventual absence of the HF option, as I had no intention of rebase my Bd(F)…

Any way, will the MF Close Fighters be able to pass through its Archers mates?

Early, Thematic, Nikephorian and Komnenan Byzantine – Hoping that the first 2 will be more interesting to play in FoG than they are in DBM…

Berberes / Murabits – Are they foreseen for any book this year? Anything there like an El Cid “Inspired Ally”

? Curious to know how Black Guard, Lamtuna and Berbere/Negro Spearmen are going to be treated and the options they will have…

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