Quick Reference Sheet for V.2

[dugroz]

If this has already been covered, I apologize, but I didn't see it.

Is the Quick Reference Sheet on the Field of Glory "resources" page updated for version 2?

If not, will there be one provided soon?

Thanks.

[philqw78]

No and not until someone gives me some rules.

[david53]

No and not until someone gives me some rules.

Any rules in particular.

Dave

[Polkovnik]

Any update on this ? The "official" QRS is still the V1 version.

[quackstheking]

If I was Slitherine, I wouldn't publish an undated QRS until a sufficient critical mass of the V2 rules had been sold to at least fully cover costs and hopefully turn a small profit. Otherwise many of the wargames community would simply download the new QRS, in conjunction with the already published changes and not bother with the book.

Slitherine is a commercial enterprise, operating in a small niche market, who in response to public demand, produced a paper copy of the rules for our consumption. If all we do is bypass the product we asked for and leave them with a loss then they have no further incentive to develop or support this rule set. Indeed, it may not be worthwhile for them to further develop any tabletop rule systems, when clearly E gaming is the growth market.

It is not unreasonable for them to earn a decent turn on capital employed!

I am more of a FOGR/N player but I have bought a V2 copy, not to make JDM a rich man but to support a hobby I love - yes I can afford it, but in comparison to my total hobby spend it is worthwhile. I still think wargaming, in the bigger scheme of things, is a cheap hobby.

Let's cut them some slack!

Don

[Jilu]

there are to many changes, even some not listed, without a QRS, you cannot play the rules properly...

[gozerius]

The charts in the back of the book include everything necessary. Just take a hobby knife, slice them out, laminate them and you have your QRS.

[grahambriggs]

there are to many changes, even some not listed, without a QRS, you cannot play the rules properly...

I've never used a QRS to play, nor do I accept an opponent using them to tell me what the rules say - they have had errors. The sheets in the back of the rules are sufficient. Slitherine would be mad to want to make a v2 QRS freely available at this time as all people would do is print it out and use their v1 for the rest of the rules.

[ValentinianVictor]

It does not take much working out that at some stage in the near future someone is likely either to put up on the jolly old interweb either a home brew QR sheet or even post on to the web scanned copies of the reference pages from V2 of the rules, or even the entire rule book (unfortunately many rulesets have had this happen to them, there are some right scallywags out there I'm afraid).

It's not something I'd do or condone but sadly it will happen.

[grahambriggs]

Well, that might happen. No doubt the people who do that will moan when the hobby disappears when no-one can cover costs making rules because of them. At least to do so someone will have to have purchased a set of rules. And they can be sued for their illegal actions.

[quackstheking]

Well said Graham!

Don

[Vespasian28]

Hopefully we will see a QRS sooner rather than later. I for one find a QRS much more handy than a rulebook when playing the bulk of the game.

As for the worries about just getting a QRS to evade purchasing the rulebook from what I have read so far there are changes in the rules that won't be on a QRS.
After all, most of the changes were reported some time ago but I wouldn't try and play the game based on those reports you have to see the full context of the changes and wording.

My only disappointment so far is Slitherine not publishing the rulebook using stain resistant paper as I had a slight accident today whilst cooking the roast and trying to read the rules at the same time

[philqw78]

a home brew QR sheet

The QRS for V1 were home brewed. But hence JD liked them so they became good and authorised.

[Sarmaticus]

Having shelled out for all of the books (FoGA1, FoGR, FoGN and all the lists for all of them) I don't think an update sheet to v2 would be excessive philanthropy: more good customer relations. If Slitherine would like to have more things to sell to people like me, my very humble suggestion would be a PC (plus ipad/Android?) campaign system combined with FoG digital, able to play solo or online campaigns; fight the battles automatically (either blind or with user overview), as solo games v AI or as online games, or accept the resuts of tabletop games as input. It would move customers away from paper products toward Slitherine's core business without raising hackles.
It's nice to have a brand leader to provide a common basis for games and spare us some of the hard work of DIY. The trouble is not so much being thought of as the Evil Empire, it's being thought of as the Asset Stripping Empire: Warlord Games were clever enough to sell their rules as the Robin Hoods of the market and Phil Barker slipped from Hero to Nero. Such perceptions are important.
All IMvHO.

[madaxeman]

If I was Slitherine, I wouldn't publish an undated QRS until a sufficient critical mass of the V2 rules had been sold to at least fully cover costs and hopefully turn a small profit. .....
Don

If I were Slitherine I might publish a QRS so that the huge numbers of my previous customers (who bought V1.0 and many of the accompanying 11 sets of army lists) could all get a taste of V2.0, on the basis that if V2.0 genuinely gives a better game that a good chunk of those people would then decide to buy the full rulebook - which undoubtedly contains lots more detail than the QRS and therefore represents good value in it's own right.

Whether this would would generate more sales in the short term is of course debatable, but assuming that a QRS will at some point emerge anyway I'm not sure I see the logic behind delaying its release.

V2.0 is already a lot harder to actually buy than V1.0 (limited print runs, no retail distribution, no Amazon or other outlets - basically if you are not a regular reader of this forum you will know very little if anything about it) so allowing people to "try before they buy" right now and putting a QRS into the market might well be a good idea - especially also given that now is probably the exact point in time at which the interest in FoG2.0 is greatest.

[Sarmaticus]

P.S. it strikes me all sorts of add-ons could go with such a product: Video tutorials in playing the rules; hints on tactics with various armies from ace exponents or just links to Youtube versions of such (I'm sure there are those on those on this list who could supply or help with such content). Army builder - maybe with one-click links to buying units or starter armies, painted or unpainted; with bases; with paints etc.; links to buy relevant Osprey books/FoG army books/what have you; painting tutorials; uniform guides.

[dave_r]

P.S. it strikes me all sorts of add-ons could go with such a product: Video tutorials in playing the rules; hints on tactics with various armies from ace exponents or just links to Youtube versions of such (I'm sure there are those on those on this list who could supply or help with such content). Army builder - maybe with one-click links to buying units or starter armies, painted or unpainted; with bases; with paints etc.; links to buy relevant Osprey books/FoG army books/what have you; painting tutorials; uniform guides.

Yup and most of those that you have mentioned are actually in the book, i.e. the painting guide, Osprey titles, Uniforms, lot's of pictures of painted miniatures.

It really is amazing what you get for around £25.

[Sarmaticus]

That's good to hear. Being able to click to see/buy a ready made army or unit, tactical tips, painting guides for specific troop types/units (which could probably be had from enthusiasts via YouTube) and the campaign support would be nice too. It would also leverage Slitherine's digital operations and get more users across the chasm from print.
What's an update and what's a new version is a grey area but I'd suggest a brand new product with fixes attached might be more popular and better serve a longterm goal of transferring the market to a digital basis.
With that much digital functionality in a PC/i-phone/android package and a printable QR sheet to boot, I think they'd be over the hump.

[gregernest]

The charts in the back of the book include everything necessary. Just take a hobby knife, slice them out, laminate them and you have your QRS.

I hope you're not serious...

[dreiling]

Indeed, having finally purchased the vaulted V.2, I too, would like a QRS for it.
When will it be available?