Plaid vs Morris №3

[Crazygunner1]

Do you plan to be on the defense in the east for the rest of the game?

[Plaid]

I will destroy some troops in border ares, but later yes. I see no point even entering SW zone.

[Crazygunner1]

I will destroy some troops in border ares, but later yes. I see no point even entering SW zone.

- it's never good to give the initiative to the opponent.
-To be on the offensive, you Will deny him some pps
- If you keep up the apperence of an offencive he might be caught ofguard, make some mistakes. If not you will gained valuable turns.

[Cybvep]

Defensive Barbarossa works good if you know what you are doing. The problem is that Plaid doesn't control either GB or Spain, which means that the Allies will put some pressure in the West earlier than in most Fortress Europa games. If Morris is too aggressive in 1942, he will suffer intolerable losses and will get oil problems as the Soviets. IMO the best course of action for the Allies in this case is to wait until 1943 before launching any major offensives.

[Crazygunner1]

Defensive Barbarossa works good if you know what you are doing. The problem is that Plaid doesn't control either GB or Spain, which means that the Allies will put some pressure in the West earlier than in most Fortress Europa games. If Morris is too aggressive in 1942, he will suffer intolerable losses and will get oil problems as the Soviets. IMO the best course of action for the Allies in this case is to wait until 1943 before launching any major offensives.

Oil problems with Russia? How does that work?

[Cybvep]

Trust me, in 1942-1943 it's fully possible if you go on the offensive right from the start and have many oil-consuming units. As everything else in this game, Russian oil levels are balanced for 1941 Barbarossa.

[Kragdob]

There will be no major offensive untill winter 1942 - difference in tech will not allow anything earlier. From the winter you will be pressed more and more especially that there are a lot of holes in the west which Morris will use to make you as weak on the East as possible.

And yes Russia in Fortress Europe has huge oil problems (starts with 200, produces ~100) and is not able to afford a huge mechanized army (by wchich I mean something like 12 ARM, 12 MECH, 12 TAC, 12 FTR acting constantly turn by turn).

[afk_nero]

I agree with crazygunner - a flexible defence with some attacks keeping the soviets off balance is best.

I think if you can take the baltics and Leningrad this gives you rail and good defensive terrain. I always try to go on the offensive against the south and try take Sevastopol before retreating. Sevastopol can act as a cheap source of pp's and a small thorn in the side of the Russians (especially to deny attacks on Ploesti from the Crimea.

[Crazygunner1]

There will be no major offensive untill winter 1942 - difference in tech will not allow anything earlier. From the winter you will be pressed more and more especially that there are a lot of holes in the west which Morris will use to make you as weak on the East as possible.

And yes Russia in Fortress Europe has huge oil problems (starts with 200, produces ~100) and is not able to afford a huge mechanized army (by wchich I mean something like 12 ARM, 12 MECH, 12 TAC, 12 FTR acting constantly turn by turn).

Earn around 90 barrels/turn as russia, rail units and upgrade the frontline Will take 3-4 turns. By that time you have easily saved up between 400-500 barrels. When you launch your attack, probably go -50 barrels/turn. Don't see that as problem

After that you don't move all units every turn, so it should be ok. Just use rail wisely

[Crazygunner1]

I agree with crazygunner - a flexible defence with some attacks keeping the soviets off balance is best.

I think if you can take the baltics and Leningrad this gives you rail and good defensive terrain. I always try to go on the offensive against the south and try take Sevastopol before retreating. Sevastopol can act as a cheap source of pp's and a small thorn in the side of the Russians (especially to deny attacks on Ploesti from the Crimea.

Exactly, you buy yourself some time that can be very valuable

[Plaid]

When I played similar strategy vs Supermax, he ran out of oil as russians... In april 1945 though.

[Morris]

Defensive Barbarossa works good if you know what you are doing. The problem is that Plaid doesn't control either GB or Spain, which means that the Allies will put some pressure in the West earlier than in most Fortress Europa games. If Morris is too aggressive in 1942, he will suffer intolerable losses and will get oil problems as the Soviets. IMO the best course of action for the Allies in this case is to wait until 1943 before launching any major offensives.

Oil problems with Russia? How does that work?

Yes ! In 1942 Babarosa , Russia does lack of fuel if they make full attack in the east .

[Morris]

When I played similar strategy vs Supermax, he ran out of oil as russians... In april 1945 though.

Yes ! I have similiar experience with Max that my USSR oil drop to 0 when I conquer Rome in 1944 .

[joerock22]

In a recent 1942 Barbarossa game, I ran out of oil in April 1944. I was running a lot of oil-consuming units from 1942-on and not paying attention to the levels until they hit zero! Fortunately for me, I was close enough to victory when I ran out so I still managed to win in fall 1944, even just surviving on Russia's per-turn production.

So it can happen! If I had been more careful, I could have made the oil last longer. A lesson I will take with me to future games.

[Plaid]

Its nothing to report this turn, as we are preparing for summer campaigns.

Here are pictures of axis troops preparing for attacking Leningrad and my defences in France.





Its questionable, if allies would be able to mount some real landing in France in 1942 after their previous defeat.

They might be short on troops. Anyway, US transport spotted, heading for UK.

[Plaid]

Large allied fleet spotted escorting 3 more US transports.
We let them go and focus on attacking uprotected convoys.



In Lybia british recon unit spotted near Tobruk. Now it can't retreat and will be cut from supply next turn.



Generally, we keep producing infantry for defence both on the east and in France. Its still a question, if allied landing
happens in 1942, but having reserves never hurts.

[Kragdob]

I bet you are already behind that, but after capturing Leningrad you could go after Pertrozavodska and get Finns to the river line. This would help to keep them in the war untill 1943 maybe.

[Morris]

I bet you are already behind that, but after capturing Leningrad you could go after Pertrozavodska and get Finns to the river line. This would help to keep them in the war untill 1943 maybe.

This is 1942 Babarosa . Do you think Stalin will still agree to give up so many ground ?

[Plaid]

Its little to report this turn, as weather is bad everywhere and troops are slowly deploying for summer campaigns.

Some action in the MED. It turns out, that Morris also have 10 step british armor here (I expected it to be evacuated
just like he did with mech).
Italian defenders can handle it though, especially with navy help. Allied only confirmed naval presence in region is 1 badly
damaged sub (I expect 2nd one is also here, we will see next turn).



Also lots of convoy attacks this turn in Atlantic. We sunk ~60 PPs of unescorted convoy cargo.

[Plaid]

Next turn may 1942 starts and we will DoW USSR (unless it enters on its own right after this allied turn).
Still have plans for Leningrad - troops in Finland are ready to capture the place in 1 - 2 turns.



Our forces along the soviet border are not this great, but we will be mostly defencive. It will take time for Morris to
redeploy his guards and other good troops and start actually attacking.





In France we also have reasonable garrison of german and italian troops.



British are driven away from Lybia, garrison unit destroyed, armor will run away.