Republican Roman, Carthaginian and Crusader Camp options?

Empgamer · Post by **Empgamer** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:10 pm

Been off the 15mm scene a good while now and am ordering some Magister/Chariot Republican Romans for FOG (I have the Beta having pre-ordered from Slitherine).

When I last looked it seemed that Baudea was the way to go for camp tents and the like (I've never really been a fan of the DBM baggage elements) but am wondering whether there are any other/better options? Searches so far have pulled up little. The only problem with the Baudea tents is that with each needing a 40x40 base, and the FOG camps being 80x120 I wonder if, for instance, a 3x2 section of tents might look cramped. Crusader and less formal camps may be easier using a 120 x 80 terrain piece with a few tents on and some baggage and camp-fire etc but the more formal Roman marching camps might prove a little more difficult. I did contemplate a 10mm scale camp for some EIR I have (I need to revisit the books to establish precisely what the Republican Romans used and when) as that may allow for grater artistry although the tents will of course be right out of scale.

Any thoughts appreciated.

honvedseg · Post by **honvedseg** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:39 pm

I don't think you're going to make an "authentic" looking Roman encampment in the space allowed. A typical Roman "mile fort" was laid out in a series of rows along regular "lanes", and included gates at both ends of the main road running through the middle. The walls were spaced far enough from the outermost tents for an "outsider" to be just beyond normal bow range of the tents. That's a big camp. With a single Baueda miniature tent occupying roughly a 30-35mm square, it's going to look a bit cramped with a 3X2 array of them squeezed between some dirt ramparts and wooden palisades, even without a road down the middle. Then again, your army doesn't have 10,000 figures in it either.

Empgamer · Post by **Empgamer** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:12 pm

Yeah, that's the point really. I'm not expecting a historical replica, I'd just prefer more than a couple of donkeys and a few straggling villagers

ars_belli · Post by **ars_belli** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:06 pm

Personally, I think that your best bet might to be a row of four Baudea Roman tents along the back half of your camp base, with some Roman soldiers, standards, a camp fire etc. in the front. Not a precise replica of a Roman camp, perhaps, but it would make a nice little diorama that conveys the "feel" of a camp. That's what Ia m planning to do, anyway.

Cheers,
Scott

Empgamer · Post by **Empgamer** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:42 pm

I like the look of the Baudea DBA3 camp which appears to be a half side camp, 40 x 120. Applying my extensive mathematical skills I figure two of those would cover a FOG camp (need to ensure I can actually make one long side without a gate) with a couple of the Roman tents inside. Possible with a cart/baggage animal or two. The camp is here:

http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/H ... tions.html

ars_belli · Post by **ars_belli** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:10 pm

Empgamer wrote:I like the look of the Baudea DBA3 camp which appears to be a half side camp, 40 x 120. Applying my extensive mathematical skills I figure two of those would cover a FOG camp (need to ensure I can actually make one long side without a gate) with a couple of the Roman tents inside. Possible with a cart/baggage animal or two. The camp is here:

http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/H ... tions.html

That one IS nice, provided that it can be extended as you describe. Of course, having a gate on two sides would be ok, too.

Many thanks,
Scott

Empgamer · Post by **Empgamer** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:22 pm

I'm just flicking through the rules trying to establish whether it is either

a) mandatory or
b) possibly just (at times?) desirable

that the camp is mounted against a table edge?

That TENDS to to be what these are designed for (DBM/DBA) and, given that you really don't want your base anywhere near your enemy, I can't think of too many reasons why you might want it away from the edge at all. If mouted on the edge, various other options might also be possble with more space inside for dsiplay of other niceties

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:35 pm

Up to 10MU away from your base edge according to my copy of the rules - but as you sau I think most of the time on your base edge will be most sensible

terrys · Post by **terrys** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:10 pm

Most of the time the base edge is the logical position, but there are times when it's better to place it in some terrain, or on a hill that's away from the edge. (FoG doesn't limit you to placing it in the open)
The can be placed anywhere up to 10MUs in - or 15MUs in if behind FFs in the centre sector.

Given that your baggage guards will be taking a -1 for being within 6MUs of the (back) edge of the table, it's sometimes quite useful to have your camp more than 6MUs in.

Empgamer · Post by **Empgamer** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:10 pm

Thanks. Can't find that at the moment Nik???? Terrys post going up as mine was

Good point re the -1 as well though.

Looking at the Baueda Hoppidus range there is none yet specific to Republican Roman (work in progress). I may have to use an Imperial style (reminding myself NEVER to spray varnish 15mms in dull/wet weather having just pulled the EIR out the box and, after re-basing, realising I have a ton of dulling down to brighten up) until susch stage as the Republican one is released, rather than a more generic Hop 1 which doesn't seem to fit either.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:26 pm

Its just after the rules on terrain placement - bottom of page 89 in my copy.

Empgamer · Post by **Empgamer** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:00 pm

Thanks. Couldn't see it for looking. Time to order some new terrain mat too I think

Republican Roman, Carthaginian and Crusader Camp options?

Republican Roman, Carthaginian and Crusader Camp options?

Tents and camps