Joe v. Morris Round II (Joe's AAR)

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Re: Joe v. Morris Round II (Joe's AAR)

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Turn 47 – March 9, 1942

A very good turn for the Germans—my roadblock garrisons saved my front line from too much damage, and I bag my third Soviet tank! A nice tally for the winter, even though I lost hundreds of infantry steps.

As a result of Morris’s constant attacks, my manpower finally dips below 75% to stay (I had to recruit new German corps for Italy’s defense). This is not a huge problem, as -1 quality doesn’t really hurt the Germans very much because they have such good organization. It’s the 50% manpower line that you have to watch out for. Hopefully I can avoid that until infantry tech gives me +1 survivability to offset the penalty.

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Re: Joe v. Morris Round II (Joe's AAR)

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This was really good news...that means England will be safe for entire 42 and no attacks there....that will sure give you some time
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I think airpower is going to eventually decide the war in the east. If Morris has invested in air techs he can get fighters and bombers who can support his ground attacks. If the Luftwaffe has much better tech then the Soviet air units will suffer too much damage to be effective.

At the moment it seems the Russian air units don't have tech improvements. When you get dogfight tech 5 (8 air attack) then the Russians will struggle even during the winter in air attacks unless they get to at least 6 air attack.

It seems to me that Morris just wants to bleed you wherever he can. So it can actually be quite painful if they land in e. g. Italy. The Germans might eventually finish off the invaders, but it will cost PP's, oil and manpower. All that's needed in the east to keep the Russians in check.

It seems to me that Morris will eventually get the upper hand in this game. So you will have to be able to hold the position long enough before you get overwhelmed. England seems to be safe in 1942. If the liberation of England comes in 1943 you could contain them long enough for the Allies to not land in France early enough to reach Berlin.

So it looks like the main threat will come from Russia. It's Russia that will win the war for the Allies in this game. Hurting the Russians hard in 1942 is vital. Kill more tanks and hurt air units and the Russian 1942 winter offensive can be contained. Then everything is possible.

I have a bad feeling that the Germans will run into oil problems in this game and that means the Russians can start the steamroller so early to the race for Berlin can become a thriller to watch. This is where Morris'es strategy of bleeding the Germans for oil and manpower comes into effect. His invaders in the Med are probably meant to be cannon fodder who are supposed to just drain the German economy.

Morris doesn't even have to liberate London and Paris to win the game if he can get to Rome and Berlin / Hamburg.
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Can you show us the screenshot with casualties suffered by various nations?
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Cybvep wrote:Can you show us the screenshot with casualties suffered by various nations?
Coming up in a few turns, I think.
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Stauffenberg wrote:I have a bad feeling that the Germans will run into oil problems in this game and that means the Russians can start the steamroller so early to the race for Berlin can become a thriller to watch. This is where Morris'es strategy of bleeding the Germans for oil and manpower comes into effect. His invaders in the Med are probably meant to be cannon fodder who are supposed to just drain the German economy.

Morris doesn't even have to liberate London and Paris to win the game if he can get to Rome and Berlin / Hamburg.
That is a concern of mine as well, for sure. Morris is making tactically dubious attacks simply for the strategic effect of reducing oil and manpower. To beat a player like that, I think the key is to not panic. You have to be able to wage a successful campaign with low oil levels, while making the absolute most of the oil you do spend. This I must do in 1942; the Russians need to be dealt a heavy blow or they will be unstoppable during winter.

Fortunately, because I captured England, my PP production is extremely high. Germany is probably outproducing Russia, or close to it. So I can afford to crank out waves and waves of infantry units, and limit my oil-consuming units. I am also not spending hardly any oil on other theatres of operation right now, which is helping. My subs have not attacked a convoy in years, which is undoubtedly helping the Allies to recover, but is also saving me a lot of oil moving and attacking. And like you said, Russia is the primary concern right now. I'm not going to waste precious oil hunting down convoys just to slow the Allied recovery down a little bit.
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Turn 48 – March 29, 1942

This turn presented a perfect chance to destroy another Soviet tank with my elite Tacs…except the weather was mud in Central Europe. Damn! Foiled by the weather gods.

The Soviets appear to be pulling back now, wisely so. Once the weather in the USSR turns fair, the Germans are coming back with a vengeance. Perhaps my decision to attack last turn encouraged Morris to retreat? Oh, well—it should have won me 2 Russian tanks instead of just 1. My instincts tell me that Morris would have seen how exposed his position in the south was and withdrawn anyway, at least a short ways. Perhaps I can still catch some of his troops.

In the Med, the Allied fleet continues to sail along the North African coast. This certainly does not look like an invasion of Vichy North Africa! I am quickly throwing together defenses in Sicily.

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I wish I had taken a casualty screenshot after Barbarossa ended, so I could come up with accurate totals for the winter campaign. Anyway, here is the current casualty screen. The Axis have lost a lot of steps, but the other powers are suffering far worse.

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Turn 49 – April 18, 1942

A long severe winter continues, and Russian infantry got excellent results against mine—what else is new. I am growing very tired of severe winter!

In other news, Morris moves to land directly on Sicily, in his typical aggressive fashion. He only has 6 ground units in this armada, so I’m not sure what he thinks he can accomplish. He obviously hopes to establish a bridgehead and bring in reinforcements. But with little air support, this landing will go nowhere. I am recalling the Axis air contingent from Britain, and will probably send in the Romanian Tac as well. 2 fighters, 2 Tacs, and some German ground units should be more than enough to deal with this.

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Game status update - I am going on a mini-vacation until next Wednesday, and will likely not be able to play or post turns until then.

**SPOILER ALERT - Morris did not actually ever intend to invade Sicily, as I found out the next turn (he went for Tobruk instead). I mention this because I don't want everyone commenting on whether or not it was smart for him to invade Sicily in the 5-6 days that I'm gone--since he didn't actually do it! :)
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Turn 50 – May 8, 1942

Fair weather in the east at last. My goals for the 1942 campaign are as follows, in order of priority:

1. Recapture lost ground in the south to give me room to retreat during winter
2. Kill a handful of Russian heavy units
3. Capture Moscow

Doing all 3 may be too ambitious with the forces I have, but I will do my best. But first, I need to try to break out of this pocket Morris has me cornered in.

In the south, I see an opportunity to kill a guard mech and push in on the Russian bulge from 3 sides. Morris will be able to withdraw most of his forces, but I should catch a few stragglers. And if he doesn’t retreat, I will destroy his whole army!

In the Med, Morris really surprises me. His armada poised to land in Sicily instead sails on to Tobruk. I was sure he was going for an early invasion of Sicily, which could not have worked in my opinion. This is good for me in that it gives me more time to prepare adequate defenses—I want German corps with +1 defense leaders in both Sicilian cities. But it is also bad in that when the attack does come it will be more difficult to stop, especially if Morris conquers Tunisia to use as an airbase. But that provides benefits for the Axis as well.

Overall, I am happy with the way things are going in the Med to this point. It will be awhile before Morris is ready to make a serious move against Italy, so for the moment I can focus most of my attention on the USSR.

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Final tally for the turn: 1 guard mech, 3 corps, 3 garrisons/partisans. Value = 205 PPs. Not a bad haul. And that guard mech is strategically worth a lot more than 55 PPs. The Siberian Guards are the Red Army’s best weapons; losing one so early is a major blow. It will make later offensives more difficult, especially in rough terrain.
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Good turn, Morris either has to retreat or face the destruction of his southern army. I think that he should have stopped attacking a bit earlier, as it will be hard to create a good defensive line in the south now. He will either lose ground or lose units, probably a little of both. The problem is that with your oil situation you have little chance of capturing important Russian targets in the south (Stalingrad, the oil fields etc.) and holding them for more than a couple of turns. You are probably not planning to do that, anyway. Moscow will be hard, too, but Morris used a forward defence strategy and his defence line is just infantry, so you should be able to do some damage.
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Cybvep wrote: Moscow will be hard, too, but Morris used a forward defence strategy and his defence line is just infantry, so you should be able to do some damage.
Moscow will be easy :(
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Did you retreat in time or did Joe overwhelm your INF-only defence line quickly, before you could do anything?
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Turn 51 – May 28, 1942

Morris wisely runs away in the south, but my troops are nicely positioned to mount a fierce pursuit. I should be able to recapture Kiev and destroy a nice batch of units. Only relatively minor attacks in the north, but that will change fairly soon.

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Final tally: 3 mechs, 4 corps, 4 garrisons/partisans. Value = 365 PPs! I would not call this a “Manstein Miracle,” but it was still very sweet!
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I think Morris will regret his very aggressive winter offensive. He is on the run and Joe destroys many Russian units. This means his upcoming 1942 offensive won't be as powerful.

It's fun for the Russians to build many armor units, but these units can't hold any defense lines. Where are the Russian corps units? It's critical for the Russians if their front line units are mech and armor as it was in the south.

Now I think Morris must rush his best units far to the east and get some road blocks with garrisons. If the Germans can pursue the Russian mech and armor units then they will eventually be destroyed. The Luftwaffe can rebase faster than the mech and armor can retreat.

Still, I won't say Morris has lost. Joe can probably keep up the steam for some time, but eventually the oil level will be so critical he has to halt the offensive.
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Corps are concentrated in Moscow. I doubt that Morris has strong defence lines in the south, considering how much PP he used on tanks. We can also see the arrow lines and it's clear that Morris is moving troops from the north to the south. With hindsight, he should have retreated at least one turn earlier, but timing is always tricky...

Considering that Morris said "Moscow will be easy", I suspect that Joe overwhelmed Morris' defence lines in the north and struck hard at Moscow, which was poorly defended. I also think that Joe didn't go further than Moscow and Kharkov in order to save oil.

Nothing is decided yet. The Germans are always pushing the Allies hard in 1939-1942, things become more problematic from 1943 on. IMO 1942/1943 winter and the first half of 1943 will be the climax of the game.
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Cybvep wrote:IMO 1942/1943 winter and the first half of 1943 will be the climax of the game.
I completely agree. The question is who will have the initiative. I think I will, but can I keep it through the whole 1943 fair season?
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Turn 52 – June 17, 1942

Morris wisely retreats, except for a 10-step Russian corps that stays to finish off my 3-step German corps. But that is an exchange I will take any day.

I think Morris wants me to follow him in the south, chasing him eastward into another ambush. This I will not do. I have already accomplished what I wanted to in the south by recapturing lost ground. Now I will swing north and attempt to roll up the Soviet defensive line in the center. If I can push in on this line from north and south, then perhaps Morris will be forced to retreat and Moscow will be within reach. Even if Moscow holds, I should be able to kill many Soviet units with minimal risk to my army. I would love to reestablish the same river defensive line that I held at the start of winter 1941, but in order to do that I have some work do to in the center.

I will of course push forward slightly in the south, mostly with infantry. Morris wants to attack my tanks and mechs directly on turn 1 of his counteroffensive. I will not give him that opportunity.

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Final Tally: 6 corps, 1 garrison. Value = 225 PPs.
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Cybvep wrote:Nothing is decided yet. The Germans are always pushing the Allies hard in 1939-1942, things become more problematic from 1943 on. IMO 1942/1943 winter and the first half of 1943 will be the climax of the game.
True. But since Joe has England, all he has to do is fight the Russians to a draw to win this one. There will eventually be a threat from the West, but I don't expect it will be too much to worry about until '44.
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Morris will probably attack in the West ASAP. Joe is saving oil by being passive with subs, which means that Morris will be able to build many units. It is definitely possible to hold England until 1944, but some troops will have to be stationed on England constantly. I wouldn't worry about the Med too much, as Italy is easily defensible. However, if Joe wants to keep Italy in the game, he will need to cover Sicily with troops. Every unit counts, because that means fewer troops in the East.
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Stauffenberg wrote:I think Morris will regret his very aggressive winter offensive. .
No , I don't regret my winter offensive , but I do regret my stupid reckless move in the last severe winter .It cost my precious Mech & corp .

Actually , I made several traps for Joe ,but He jumped into none of them ! But I am preparing some more for this great elite ! I hope someday he will drop into one of them :)
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