V1 - Is this base fighting???????

[philqw78]

A BG of chariots charge a BG of Han MF like so, but there is a sneaky cheesy Han BG formed up facing to the right ready to perform a flank charge.
Han lady boys
Cheesy Han facing to right
Manly but utterly useless Zhou chariots.

So before contact looks like this

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at contact like this

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I say the rear chariot can now expand to the left. This puts in frontal contact with it. Which means is now fighting. So it can't charge in the flank and chariots are not fighting in 2 directions and do not have to turn as they were not impacted by

Like so

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Other people may say otherwise.

[dave_r]

Other people being me

The diagram isnt quite correct as there was a gap between the bg facing to the right and the bg facing down.

My argument was that since the bg facing right is ineligible to fight as an overlap, it can therefore charge into the flank on my turn.

[philqw78]

the left corner of was about 2mm forward of the right corner of , but they were lined up. When expanded the front edge of contacted flush with the chariots. Therefore being in frontal contact with enemy, overlap or not, it fights. Therefore it cannot charge.

[dave_r]

It doesnt actually say that in the rules though does it? At least nowhere that we could find.

They arent in close combat either.

[philqw78]

Thats 'cos you were hogging the rulebook and not letting me look.

We obviously need an independant arbiter. But, the other 99% of people on this forum will do, as nobody's going to take sides surely.

[dave_r]

Or even an independent arbitrator.

Im not sure a fictional character from halo could help here.

[philqw78]

We obviously need an independant arbiter

Or even an independent arbitrator.

Im not sure a fictional character from halo could help here.

arbiter

One chosen or appointed to judge or decide a disputed issue; an arbitrator. 2.
One who has the power to judge or ordain at will:

[prb4]

I haven't got the rules to hand but from memory and logic.....

- I think the expansion is legal.
- The BG is in base edge contact and therefore in close combat as an overlap.
- The BG is not in the correct position for an overlap and will therefore conform to a correct overlap position at the start of its movement phase.

Just my opinion though.

Peter

[batesmotel]

From the FAQ:

Can a BG in close combat expand into contact with a new enemy BG?
Yes, but only if either of the following circumstances apply:
- The new enemy BG was already fighting it as an overlap.
- The contact does not result in the previously unengaged enemy BG entering close combat (with the expanding BG)
other than as an overlap.

So I believe the expansion is not allowed since the does not satisfy either of these circumstances since the expansion by the chariots would place them in contact with the front of .

Chris

[dave_r]

From the FAQ:

Can a BG in close combat expand into contact with a new enemy BG?
Yes, but only if either of the following circumstances apply:
- The new enemy BG was already fighting it as an overlap.
- The contact does not result in the previously unengaged enemy BG entering close combat (with the expanding BG)
other than as an overlap.

So I believe the expansion is not allowed since the does not satisfy either of these circumstances since the expansion by the chariots would place them in contact with the front of .

Chris

Thanks chris. I knew phil was cheating

[philqw78]

A better reason than Dave could come up with

Humph!

Well back to more important things
How long did our first game last yesterday Dave? Was it 3 or 4 turns until you surrendered?

But point to note for V2 from what I gather from the initial press release.
Always ensure your BG are fully lined up. Charge with a bit of a wheel hitting the same number of bases. This will ensure you cannot be flank charged by cheese mongers like as you do not have to conform in V2 if this would put you in a position to be flank charged.

Lots of offset unconformed combats

[dave_r]

Fortunately, i checked this out. Chargers always conform. Its only non charging bgs that would not confirm if this puts them in a position to get flank charged.

I suppose thats a double humph then....