Terrain "cost"

[tamerlan]

If you take as the obligatory piece of terrain a hill covered with an obligatory type of terrain but of great size, ¿does it count, in relation to the hill section, as one or two pieces-selections? (the obligatory type counts as just one piece-selection, as far as I have understood).

Thanks in advance,

[petedalby]

I would imagine that this played differently depending upon where you are but my understanding is that the covering counts as either a single piece or 2 pieces depending upon the size of the compulsory piece and / or the size of the covering.

So if I choose a large compulsory piece of brush and add a gentle hill, it will count as one piece of brush and either 1 or 2 pieces of gentle hill depending upon how big you make the hill.

It's often overlooked though.

[bbotus]

Agree.

I think you are looking for the following sentence on page 140: "The total pieces of any type, together with any compulsory features of that type, cannot exceed the maximum of that type."

[ShrubMiK]

That doesn't say how many of your selections they use up though?

[bbotus]

That doesn't say how many of your selections they use up though?

OK, last bullet on page 139, last 2 sentences ending on page 140: "A large piece counts as 2 selections and as 2 towards the maximum of that type, unless it is one of the two compulsory pieces. Compulsory pieces can be chosen as either size." If you take a large compulsory piece, you would still get 2 to 4 other selections and the large compulsory piece would only count as 1 selection for that terrain type.

3 paragraphs later it says that hills can be chosen as a compulsory piece if the hill is compulsory or hills are permitted and the covering is compulsory.

After re-reading all this, I'm going out on a limb and saying that a large compulsory forest on a hill would count as 1 selection for the hill and 1 selection for the forest and vica versa. Which is what tamerlan originally thought.

[petedalby]

After re-reading all this, I'm going out on a limb and saying that a large compulsory forest on a hill would count as 1 selection for the hill and 1 selection for the forest and vica versa. Which is what tamerlan originally thought.

Which is contra to the rules that you have correctly quoted?

A complusory piece always counts as 1 whatever its size. Everything else counts as either 1 or 2 depending upon its size / type.

But I don't think you'll get many players being hung up on the difference.

[petedalby]

After re-reading all this, I'm going out on a limb and saying that a large compulsory forest on a hill would count as 1 selection for the hill and 1 selection for the forest and vica versa. Which is what tamerlan originally thought.

Which is contra to the rules that you have correctly quoted?

A complusory piece always counts as 1 whatever its size. Everything else counts as either 1 or 2 depending upon its size / type.

But I don't think you'll get many players being hung up on the difference.

[bbotus]

Which is contra to the rules that you have correctly quoted?

Agree, not much to get hung up on but an interesting question none-the-less.

I think we are agreed that a compulsory piece can be large or normal and doesn't affect the other 2 to 4 selections and that it counts a 1 for the limits on terrain maximums. So the question is: If I choose a large hill for the compulsory piece and put terrain (like a forest) on it, does it count as 1 or 2 selections of forest?

Page 140 says:
"A covered hill can be chosen as a compulsory piece only if either of the following apply:
Hills are compulsory.
Hills are permitted and the covering is compulsory and of at least normal size. "

So, if the forest is compulsory and hills are permitted, I could choose a large hill completely covered with forest. The forest is compulsory so counts as one piece. But the wording says that by doing so the covered hill can be chosen as a compulsory piece. Therefore the hill is also compulsory and counts as one selection even though the forest was the actual compulsory piece.

That leaves the reverse which is the compulsory large hill covered with optional forest. It doesn't spell it out but I'd go with the argument that if the reverse is true, then this must be true also: 1 selection for each terrain type (hill and forest).

[awesum4]

Thats the way we've always played it. A hill with covering chosen as a compulsory piece can be double sized, counting as using 1 of each terrain type from total available. Player still has 2 to 4 selections of optional terrain to pick.