Helsinki

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:12 pm

I'm thinking of going to Helsinki in June and as it stands will have to revert to DBR.

Is there any prospect of FOG being available?

Would anyone else be up for FOG at Helsinki?

Pete

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:39 am

FoG would be the only thing that would make me consider Helsinki at present.

rayfredjohn · Post by **rayfredjohn** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:22 am

Helsinki ......

expensive booze, expensive clubs, expensive hotels, expensive food, expensive.....

But I'd still go for a FOG competition. Had a great time at Warfare and really looking forward to next competition.

Ray

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:16 am

Helsinki is not more expensive than Dublin or London. I think the expensive argument relative to other captials is a bit overblown.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:12 am

Why do all the people who have been there (and London, Dublin, etc.) tell me it is then?

bddbrown · Post by **bddbrown** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:50 pm

I'd also go if they ran FoG, but not otherwise. Come on it would be the 1st FoG International World Championship! Probably the only reason why I would ever go to Helsinki really. What we really need is a list of names of people who would definitely go and play FoG at Helsinki. If they are enough they I am sure this can be passed onto the IWF via the BHGS.

andy63 · Post by **andy63** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:12 pm

Yes like Bruce i would probably go and play Fog if there was enough in numbers.

jdm · Post by **jdm** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:08 am

I quite fancy that as well, not played a wargame since South Africa and getting withdrawel symptoms.

How many is that?

JDM

bddbrown · Post by **bddbrown** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:33 am

Pete Dalby
Nik Gaukroger (maybe)
Ray Duggins
Bruce Brown
andy63 (Sorry don't know your real name?)
Ian McNeil

Given it is the IWF we need some international support for this as well.

davidandlynda · Post by **davidandlynda** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:37 am

Sounds like an IWF coordinator is required ,Hammy,Lawrence?,I'm assuming it would need to be organised by someone other than the Finns.
If it went ahead it would give Lynda and I a difficult choice
David

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:10 am

bddbrown wrote:
andy63 (Sorry don't know your real name?)

Andy Ellis isn't it?

BTW if somebody could translate and crosspost to the French and Spanish forums it would be useful to guage interest IMO.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:16 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
BTW if somebody could translate and crosspost to the French and Spanish forums it would be useful to guage interest IMO.

Perhaps a bit too early to judge any Italian interest, given the number of games played is not into double figures yet!

If you push for FoG, in all fairness you'd have to push for allowing "other" rules, no?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:22 am

Of course - but not on this forum methinks

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:31 am

After a lot of discussion the IWF is finally in the process of taking a vote on allowing more than one ruleset. I expect that this vote will be passed thus more than one ruleset will be possible so DBMM, Warmaster, WAB and FoG all have a chance to be picked up by the WIC organisers (for 2008 that will be the Finns).

At present the Finns are intending running DBM and DBR in Helsinki. I have argued myself blue in the face (welle electronically speaking) to try to get the Finns to seriously consider other rulesets. It is possible that a list of names who would attend to play FoG but not for DBM and FWIW a similar list of DBMM, WAB and Warmaster fans may get things moving. That is I believe the reason for this thread. If you want to play FoG in Helsinki next year put your name here.

Hammy

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:49 am

hammy wrote: At present the Finns are intending running DBM and DBR in Helsinki. I have argued myself blue in the face (welle electronically speaking) to try to get the Finns to seriously consider other rulesets. It is possible that a list of names who would attend to play FoG but not for DBM and FWIW a similar list of DBMM, WAB and Warmaster fans may get things moving. That is I believe the reason for this thread. If you want to play FoG in Helsinki next year put your name here.

The best argument being numbers; pointing out allowing other rules means players who might not otherwise attend will. Of course, that perhaps depends on their capacity.

I was a while back discussing with Guglielmo Marlia about this, and I agreed with him that I see no reason why the IWC should not also have other periods, like Napoleonics. The main problem is organisational. With a premier event like the IWC, a full range of periods like Britcon could result in a very large number of players, a potential organisational and perhaps more importantly, venue size problem.

dvorkin · Post by **dvorkin** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:41 am

Hi

I think french players would come if a fog tournament is organized.
I'll be present.

Dvorkin

jdm · Post by **jdm** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:25 pm

Peter

Fully agree but would it not be great to have a problem with numbers and so far as which period attracts the players, is that important to the IWF ? Surely what they want to see is wargamers attending. In these days of declining interest anything that gives a surge is welcome.

In any event the thread here is whether or not there is support for a FoG World Championships at Helsinki, others are in charge of whether or not they offer a whole list of periods. It would be really greaat if it was possible to arrange Helsinki to meet up with old friends and support the event, but if not I guess we coiuld consider a seperate event.

Definately a musch less desireable solution to mmy mind.

Regards
JDM

andy63 · Post by **andy63** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:40 pm

Hi Bruce and Nik it is me Andy Ellis, and might be able to convince Bob Amey to come as well to Helsinki Hes got nothing better to do (hes at that age)

Andy.

jdm · Post by **jdm** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:59 pm

dvorkin wrote:Hi

I think french players would come if a fog tournament is organized.
I'll be present.

Dvorkin

Hi Divorkin

Can you post to the french forum to guage interest there. Anyone speak Spanish

JDM

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:28 pm

jdm wrote: Fully agree but would it not be great to have a problem with numbers and so far as which period attracts the players, is that important to the IWF ? Surely what they want to see is wargamers attending. In these days of declining interest anything that gives a surge is welcome.

In any event the thread here is whether or not there is support for a FoG World Championships at Helsinki, others are in charge of whether or not they offer a whole list of periods. It would be really greaat if it was possible to arrange Helsinki to meet up with old friends and support the event, but if not I guess we coiuld consider a seperate event.

Definately a musch less desireable solution to mmy mind.

Well, if the IWC was to be opened-up to more periods/rulesets, surely the current state of flux in ancients is an ideal time to start?

Rgds,
Peter