[GJS_BA] Invasion

[Granfali]

1. Is Hillman a 26-to-20 British attack? Or a Meeting Engagement? All of the central flags start as German rather than neutral? Do your units come in from the other side? Or are you already waiting in the centre too? The flags confuse us...

British attack (as is specified in the screenmap capture). If you see 4 german flags then is an attack/defense. In a meeting engagement three central flags are neutrals at the begining of the battle.

2. Bunker City. German Atlantic Wall coastal defences were a tribute to Hitler's paranoia and Rommel's genius. Serious interlocking bunkers, large and small, with deep communicating trenches. But once inland, it was a case of finding and tackling hidden ATGs, panzers, MG42s in wooded areas (scarily common) and villages (occasional), with scattered sandbagged fire points to defend high ground... We know this will probably come back to bite us, if and when it's our turn to defend Hillman, but perhaps there are too many bunkers? Six bunkers, of all sizes, in a 6x10 area, with nowhere to hide except the carefully mowed grass for miles around, looks more formidable than the Maginot (or Siegfried or Gustav) Line
(See photo).

BunkerCity.jpg

I am not an expert in Normandy maps, so I based on GJS Close Combat Maps and books I've read about the battle. To this I add that the battle in BA be attractive and entertaining for both sides. I tried to simulate the map as I know... and can. But I can not use trenches (fundamental in this map) or foxholes, no wire, no mines. It is a flat map without houses, with few trees... so, what can I use then?

http://battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/hillm ... gpoint.htm








Your idea is quite good, but hard to carry out for me because next monday finish my holidays, and my spare time will drop drastically.I know is difficult to prepare an attack or defense without to know the map, but, as I said, you have to trust on me. I'll never make a map to benefit my side. I will try to prepare maps on hot areas asap. For example, Bayeux is almost done.
I think a good base to avoid surprises is take a glimpse to this url and these maps (final maps won't be exact, but can give you any idea)

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/mo ... ds&cid=150

[GottaLove88s]

I am not an expert in Normandy maps, so I based on GJS Close Combat Maps and books I've read about the battle. To this I add that the battle in BA be attractive and entertaining for both sides. I tried to simulate the map as I know... and can. But I can not use trenches (fundamental in this map) or foxholes, no wire, no mines. It is a flat map without houses, with few trees... so, what can I use then?



Your idea is quite good, but hard to carry out for me because next monday finish my holidays, and my spare time will drop drastically.I know is difficult to prepare an attack or defense without to know the map, but, as I said, you have to trust on me. I'll never make a map to benefit my side. I will try to prepare maps on hot areas asap. For example, Bayeux is almost done.
I think a good base to avoid surprises is take a glimpse to this url and these maps (final maps won't be exact, but can give you any idea)

Hehe, ok Granfali, I'll tell the boys to get back in their (fox)holes, lol... I have to confess that you've replicated the CCS Hillman map pretty darned accurately, because the CCS one too is a Bunker City!... Perhaps there's a reminder here for us that Hillman is only one square in from the beach, so it is still part of the coastal defences for Sword and Juno... the clue is in the "Battery" part of the name, right?

You're making great maps. But we'd be happy to share the workload, if you might like us to help you... If you feel that's more likely to slow you down, we're even happier just to play... We'll use links to the CCS detailed and strat/sector map that you've included, to give us an idea of what should be coming... to inform our battle choices... Can't wait to play your Bayeux!

Good luck in Hillman. How's it going?

[GottaLove88s]

I am not an expert in Normandy

G, You're being way too modest. You certainly look like an expert to us!

[GottaLove88s]

Rule check on arrival: Hi Granfali, if a German defender arrives by being posted to a sector, eg. 915/352 Inf starting in Hermanville June 7th AM, a battle that immediately starts, for example 7/3C attacking directly into Hermanville as the Germans arrive... that's an ME rather than an A-D, isn't it?

[GottaLove88s]

Victory conditions: British total victory if takes Caen, Bayeux, Hermanville and Bois de Bavent before June 11th

@Granfali, Do we have to hold these until June 11th? Or just hold all four together anytime before the end of June 11th PM?

[GottaLove88s]

@Granfali, If it helps for mapping, I can swap Allied orders/bonus requests with you now, for June 7th AM? Those for 7/3C would be conditional moves depending on win/loss at Hillman (we have faith in Gort). How's the weather? Buena fin de semana! GL88

[Granfali]

Rule check on arrival: Hi Granfali, if a German defender arrives by being posted to a sector, eg. 915/352 Inf starting in Hermanville June 7th AM, a battle that immediately starts, for example 7/3C attacking directly into Hermanville as the Germans arrive... that's an ME rather than an A-D, isn't it?

Reinforcement phase happens before orders phase, so it would be an AD battle if germans don't give "movement" order.

8-COMBATS

Combats occur only in cases of different side GBs occupy the same area. The battles may be Attack-Defense or Meeting Engagements.

-If a BG moves and the other BG orders “defense” or makes a relief movement -> Attack-Defense
-If both BGs order to move -> Meeting Engagement

Victory conditions: British total victory if takes Caen, Bayeux, Hermanville and Bois de Bavent before June 11th

@Granfali, Do we have to hold these until June 11th? Or just hold all four together anytime before the end of June 11th PM?

All four together anytime before the end of June 11th PM

@Granfali, If it helps for mapping, I can swap Allied orders/bonus requests with you now, for June 7th AM? Those for 7/3C would be conditional moves depending on win/loss at Hillman (we have faith in Gort). How's the weather? Buena fin de semana! GL88

We need to finish Hillman Battery before. I think today it can be finished.

[GottaLove88s]

Thanks for the clarifications Granfali!

[GottaLove88s]

I think today it can be finished.

And YAY!! Can't wait...

[GottaLove88s]

Granfali, Do your "South Edge" and "Left Edge" BG starters, June 10th onwards, have to start in sectors with German flags? Or could you choose to start one on a South Edge sector that was already British, for example Merville?

[Granfali]

Granfali, Do your "South Edge" and "Left Edge" BG starters, June 10th onwards, have to start in sectors with German flags? Or could you choose to start one on a South Edge sector that was already British, for example Merville?

Could be on any sector, german or british (player decision), Merville included. Left british flank (south map edge in our operational map) is open, so new german BGs can attack through any sector. 6th Airborne primary task is defend most part of that flank.

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Only two german infantry BGs can access via south edge, rest of them have to choose an left edge sector.

[gortwillsaveus]

Hillman Battery is over. I have just e-mailed the results to Granfali and GL88s

[Granfali]

Hillman Battery is over. I have just e-mailed the results to Granfali and GL88s

Roger Gortwillsaveus, email responded. Please confirm casualities to post them and finish 6PM turn.

[GottaLove88s]

Well done guys, Looks like it was an epic bloodfest?

[Granfali]

6PM Hillman Battery British attack

Battle finished. Map taken by british side. II/736/716 withdraw.

Casualities

Germans - II/736/716
2 88Flak
2 AT75
2 Mort
4 MG42
6 VG
2 Trucks
British - 7/3C
2 Shermans
2 Bren
3 Engineers
8 Infantry
1 Scout

[Granfali]

TURN 7 AM - SITUATION

[GottaLove88s]

Thanks for the new map G... Btw what happens to your dissolved units at the bottom left? Can you re-introduce them? When and where?

[Granfali]

what happens to your dissolved units at the bottom left? Can you re-introduce them? When and where?

Anytime during reinforcement phase in a AM turn.

[GottaLove88s]

what happens to your dissolved units at the bottom left? Can you re-introduce them? When and where?

Anytime during reinforcement phase in a AM turn.

So you could chose to bring them back on June 7th AM.

Are you compelled to bring them back? Or can you leave them off board until you want them? So they don't impede your better BGs...

Where are you allowed to bring them back? Where are Allies permitted to bring back our own dissolved BGs?

[Granfali]

what happens to your dissolved units at the bottom left? Can you re-introduce them? When and where?

Anytime during reinforcement phase in a AM turn.

So you could chose to bring them back on June 7th AM.

Correct.

Are you compelled to bring them back? Or can you leave them off board until you want them? So they don't impede your better BGs...

No, I can introduce them when I want (AM turns only). You can do the same.

Where are you allowed to bring them back? Where are Allies permitted to bring back our own dissolved BGs?

18.1. [...] If not isolated, BG reappears the next AM turn through any left edge map area if German, or any coastal area (except Merville) if British.

So, british units can access through any beach area (right map edge) except for Merville. And german units through left edge areas.