DLC 1945 Konigsburg

[johndoe2]

Konigsburg - Hold all objectives.
End at turn 18, AI completely wiped out.
Marginal victory.

Anyone knows what's the trick?

[MartyWard]

Konigsburg - Hold all objectives.
End at turn 18, AI completely wiped out.
Marginal victory.

Anyone knows what's the trick?

You need all the flags.

[RichardL58]

Konigsburg?! ...Es heisst Königsberg

[johndoe2]

Konigsburg?! ...Es heisst Königsberg

You should take this to the developers - that's how it's spelled in the game

[johndoe2]

Konigsburg - Hold all objectives.
End at turn 18, AI completely wiped out.
Marginal victory.

Anyone knows what's the trick?

You need all the flags.

So just because I didn't bother to occupy that last godforsaken enemy airport I get marginal?

[MartyWard]

Konigsburg - Hold all objectives.
End at turn 18, AI completely wiped out.
Marginal victory.

Anyone knows what's the trick?

You need all the flags.

So just because I didn't bother to occupy that last godforsaken enemy airport I get marginal?

Yep. It's hard to get a DV in it.

[johndoe2]

Not on this one. Not on Field Marshall that is. For the last 5 turns I was doing nothing just waiting for the end to come. I did not realize that I have to occupy the enemy objectives as well. It just says - 'Hold all objectives' Is it purposely made unclear what the real objectives are?

[huertgenwald]

Shouldn't they be marked on the tacical map (with a golden circle), johndoe ?

[johndoe2]

Exactly! They should. And that's why I asked for help - how I'm supposed to know that I have to occupy every single objective on the map? I just protected my objectives and though that's that.

[RichardL58]

Konigsburg?! ...Es heisst Königsberg

You should take this to the developers - that's how it's spelled in the game

I don't think they opened a prewar atlas over Europe before the scenario design ...but despite the unhistorical names (in the Norway scenarios many cities did'nt even have a name at all), german post war borders (in the Poznan scenario) and other funny stuff, like italians i Stalingrad (!), the game and scenarios are fun to play

[BloodCat]

in the Norway scenarios many cities did'nt even have a name at all

Yup, and all the Belorussian and Ukrainian are named in corresponding modern languages, and not in Russian as should be. Very irritating for me.

[johndoe2]

in the Norway scenarios many cities did'nt even have a name at all

Yup, and all the Belorussian and Ukrainian are named in corresponding modern languages, and not in Russian as should be. Very irritating for me.

Well, let's see this is WW2 game, and we are playing the German side, it stands to logic that the maps we should be using are German WW2 maps. Being historically accurate would mean that the names used should be in German moreover quite a few Belorussian and Ukrainian cities were renamed by the Germans during occupation. I wonder how irritating it would be seeing all your cities renamed? It would be an uproar (and rightly so)

Now seriously, what I mean is that we are nitpicking - few misspelled names don't really detract from the actual game play do they?

[BloodCat]

I wonder how irritating it would be seeing all your cities renamed?

I won't have any problem with it as long as it contributes to historical accuracy and more coherent game experience.

Now seriously, what I mean is that we are nitpicking - few misspelled names don't really detract from the actual game play do they?

Agreed. I know I'm a hairsplitter.

[RichardL58]

Being historically accurate would mean that the names used should be in German ...

Sure, but they are not even in German, they are simply post WW2 names. For example Wroclaw, Glogow and Lignecia was German cities named Breslau, Glogau and Liegnitz before the war. I can live with some misspelled names, but have harder to accept the historical incorrect issues that the german forces have to occupy part of their own territory in the first scenario of DLC 39 ...that gives me an overall feeling that the developers don't know the full ww2-history.

But as I stated before, the scenarios are fun to play.

[Kamerer]

RichardL58,

I understand your complaint. In particular, the Wroclaw/Breslau one chafed me - it was a German city and it makes little sense. But I believe understanding why errors happen helps one accept them. So here's my take:

I had this same issue beta testing AK. Everything was pretty fine until India. And the map had all modern names (even post-2000 political names for places vs. historical ones). I asked why, and learned the map was built by default assigning originally Google Earth names to places, then working from there. Some of the developers are not German, English or even Indian - so catching these political changes requires MASSIVE oversight. Hopefully in beta. I can only presume in the beta of GC '39 no one noticed the Breslau issue ( Clearly you would have; I would have, too). I know that in the beta of AK I threw a red card over the India place names and it was immediately rectified. It may not be perfect now, but it's better!

S0: the game is concerned with getting combat right. And it does a good job. Maps are important to that, but names are tertiary to terrain and their characteristics. The devs have a sincere interest in getting them right, but aren't as "up" on that as the other more important aspects. So if you, like I, care about that - join the future beta tests and help catch small errors like that. As a counterpoint, I have to say the 1.10 patch scrambles the place names in GC '42. I happened to be playing there when it came out. All my terrain names come out in Cyrillic, OR the place names are all randomly scrambled. And it matters not one whit to play. But it's not desirable, and clearly embarrassing to the devs. It will be fixed, so I don't sweat it.

that gives me an overall feeling that the developers don't know the full ww2-history.

Respectfully, I think you are committing a serious error of sophistry here. Technically, I think what you are engaging in is called "the fallacy of distribution" - aka, arguing from the specific to the general. Because there is an error in a minor, post-war political, and mechanistically irrelevant point (name of Wroclaw/Breslau), it does not call into question the devs knowledge and accuracy in other areas.