Stalingrad

[4kEY]

I have to recommend a movie I just watched, Stalingrad, done by the same production team behind Das Boot.

http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-Domini ... stalingrad

I found it used, probably rebuffed, for $25.

[alex0809]

Older movie, but propably THE best war movie ever made. Falls a bit short of its goals of being an ANTI-war movie though, in my opinion

[Chris10]

I have to recommend a movie I just watched, Stalingrad, done by the same production team behind Das Boot.

http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-Domini ... stalingrad

I found it used, probably rebuffed, for $25.

funny how non germans come along this movie after so much years...its a standard reference in germany...
and pls dont compare it to save private ryan which is, like all hollywood crap, deathly ill with the typical stereotype of the fine us boys and the evil german soldier
99$ is presposterous though...watch it on youtube guys......its free

[VPaulus]

Yes, I agree it's a good movie.
Usually the European WW2 movies are better than the Hollywood's ones.Only they are less known. For example the Finnish have two less known WW2 movies and are two of the finest war movies I have ever watched. They do make me feel the weight of war.

Talvisota:


Tuntematon Sotilas (1985):


Note the shaky-cam technique, in Tuntematon Sotilas, being used long before Private Ryan was made. Of course, Spielberg 13 years later, improve it.

[RichardL58]

Yes, I agree it's a good movie.
Usually the European WW2 movies are better than the Hollywood's ones.Only they are less known. For example the Finnish have two less known WW2 movies and are two of the finest war movies I have ever watched. They do make me feel the weight of war.

If you liked those movies you should also see a third Finnish WW2 movie, "Tali-Ihantala 1944" from 2007.

IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378848/

Tailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9IEQYlpFlQ

There is some good armour action in this movie with, Sturmgeschutz against T-34s and KV-Is

[VPaulus]

Yes, I agree it's a good movie.
Usually the European WW2 movies are better than the Hollywood's ones.Only they are less known. For example the Finnish have two less known WW2 movies and are two of the finest war movies I have ever watched. They do make me feel the weight of war.

If you liked those movies you should also see a third Finnish WW2 movie, "Tali-Ihantala 1944" from 2007.

IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378848/

Tailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9IEQYlpFlQ

There is some good armour action in this movie with, Sturmgeschutz against T-34s and KV-Is

Ohh, but I've seen it. The only thing is that I don't think it's as good as the other two are.
I know it's more a docudrama than a movie. But I found it hard to follow. And I agree those sequences between the Stugs and Soviet tanks are good.
I still haven't watch the 1955 version "Tuntematon Sotilas". I plan to watch it soon. I bought a Finnish box with the three films. They are a must have.
Thanks for heads-up anyway.

[RichardL58]

Ohh, but I've seen it. The only thing is that I don't think it's as good as the other two are.
I know it's more a docudrama than a movie. But I found it hard to follow. And I agree those sequences between the Stugs and Soviet tanks are good.
I still haven't watch the 1955 version "Tuntematon Sotilas". I plan to watch it soon. I bought a Finnish box with the three films. They are a must have.
Thanks for heads-up anyway.

I can agree that Tali-Ihantala can be hard to follow for those who don't know the detailed background story (and checked some detailed frontline maps ), but I'm from Scandinavia so this story is fairly well known to me.

The black and white film from 1955 is also a good movie. However it differs slightly from the newer one, some of the storys charcters get more focus others less.

btw there is also an older german Stalingrad movie from 1959 "Hunde wollt ihr ewig Leben:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051749/

I think you can see the whole movie on youtube ...if its not removed by now

[VPaulus]

btw there is also an older german Stalingrad movie from 1959 "Hunde wollt ihr ewig Leben:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051749/

I think you can see the whole movie on youtube ...if its not removed by now

I've also the original.
It's good, but not as good, IMO as the one directed by Joseph Vilsmaier.
Can you recommend any good Swedish movie related with WW2?

[flakfernrohr]

For those of you who think "all" Americans are less objective, I have "ALL" of the Stalingrad movies in this thread and went to see STALINGRAD one when it came out in 1993. I ran into a good friend of my father so I remember the day well. As for the Finnish films, yes, I have them too and both the older and newer versions and at least a half dozen others that are excellent. There is also an excellent Finnish film called "The Border" about the early days of the Finnish and Russian border troubles. Another outstanding Finnish film is called "Ambush". There is an excellent Norwegian movie out called Max Manus (true story). The Russian produced TV movies about WWII are all excellent. I even liked the second version of "Burnt by the Sun". Without a doubt the greatest WWII film is from Russia, called "Liberation". It came out in the late 1960's and is very long. Hard to find with subtitles in English, but downloads on the internet are to be found. There is even a relatively new Swedish film about the Swedish soldiers who infiltrated across the Norway border and ran into some difficulties. And last but not least, let's not forget that Speilberg is Jewish and was raised on stories told to him by his veteran relatives, also Jewish. Nothing against the Jewish race, but they never seem to be able to be objective and realize there were many many other religious, political, ethnic and other groups that were persecuted during those times. I certainly agree that the European films, British and Australian war films are hands down better and more objective than anything that comes out of the USA. "Citronelle and Flame" is an excellent Danish film and a true story as well, so is "Black Book" and "A Woman in Berlin". Usually I search online download sites like EU Torrent or some offering Russian films and then either download them or locate a DVD copy on the internet. There a many many others as well, too many to name.

[RichardL58]

Can you recommend any good Swedish movie related with WW2?

Because Sweden was not a part in the war there hasn't been done much movies on the subject. I remember an old movie, from the 50s, which in parts covers the Swedish volunteer brigade in Finland during the winter war, but I can't remember the title now.

There was however one Swedish-Finnish co-production in 1975, about a german mountaintrooper who deserts at the end of the war in Finland, producer Åke Lindman (the same producer who did Tali Ihantala). It covers some of the battles in the north of Finland when the germans retreated in 44. But I can only find info on it in swedish or finnish, not english. There could of course be a german version (much of the movie was in german language, with german actors, as I remember).

There is another finnish movie, following the swedish speaking finns in Infantry regiment 61, In this one they at least all speak Swedish: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377935/

[VPaulus]

For those of you who think "all" Americans are less objective,

Never thought that Americans are less objective, Dwight.
US WW2 films usually have a stronger narrative, and usually subjects the other aspects of film making to that. That's all. I was not correct, when I said that European war films were better. They have a different approach.
I'm a fan of all the classic American films. And they have been always my reference.

[dragos]

Soviet/Russian WW2 movies:

Osvobozhdenie (Liberation) 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV7Nt3QQyWI

TANKOVA BRIGADA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rui6iHC9Rms

Dnieper Line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5998TXK_ ... re=related

[robman]

One of my favorite war films is another Soviet film, "Proverka na doragakh," or "Trial on the Road." The subject was very controversial: a former Soviet POW-turned-SS trooper re-defects to a partisan unit, and is put back in service rather than being shot. It's also a fantastic small-unit war film, with great tactical clarity. The movie was made in 1970 or so but not released until the Gorbachev years. The only version I could find online is in Russian without subtitles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIX3KOox-Q. There's not that much dialogue, though, so it might be fun to watch even so.

[RichardL58]

One of my favorite war films is another Soviet film, "Proverka na doragakh," or "Trial on the Road." The subject was very controversial: a former Soviet POW-turned-SS trooper re-defects to a partisan unit, and is put back in service rather than being shot. It's also a fantastic small-unit war film, with great tactical clarity. The movie was made in 1970 or so but not released until the Gorbachev years. The only version I could find online is in Russian without subtitles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIX3KOox-Q. There's not that much dialogue, though, so it might be fun to watch even so.

Looks interesting, thanks for the link