Proposal for the next expansion: Invasion Amerika

[monkspider]

I was thinking about what the next Afrika Korps-sized expansion for Panzer Corps could be and aside from the obvious Allied Corps, I thought that an interesting direction that you could possibly take things would be to create a large campaign based on a hypothetical German invasion of North America. I think this idea would have a couple unique advantages in that it t would allow you to add a lot of the more exciting German prototypes like the Panther II, the Lion, Focke-Wulf Ta 183 (a proposed successor to the ME-262) as well as some of the equipment that the United States came out with shortly after the war. It would also allow you to have a great deal of artistic freedom since it would be an entirely fictitious campaign and I think you guys have shown that you are masters at coming up with creative hypothetical scenarios.

I also think it would be a beneficial from a marketing perspective since it is a unique premise for a game. It would probably generate a lot of interest from people who aren't even necessarily wargamers. Americans would find it especially interesting to see their own hometowns as battlefields in a World War II setting and I think it would be great to be able to play around with a lot of new equipment that you normally don't see in wargames.

Anyone else out there think something like this would be rad?

[Ballacraine]

Panzer General had one scenario for that, IIRC.

Yes, I think that idea offers a lot of scope.

Certainly a lot of work.

Balla.

[Rudankort]

My personal thoughts about this suggestion:
- Your arguments make sense.
- But people are probably tired of playing for germans already (all content released so far was mostly germans, and West DLCs will be germans too), so allied campaigns should take priority.
- And by the time we are done with allied campaigns, the gameplay itself might get a bit old in people's eyes. There is a limit to what you can achieve using minor "refreshings".

At this point I have no idea if it is true or not. We should know better after we've released all the above campaigns.

[Ballacraine]

I can see your perspective, Rudankort.

I think there is enough scope for re-iteration of the GCs from the Allied perspective, which would certainly be a cost effective option for you, and an appealing line of products.

The WW2 Pacific conflict, may be worth a look at some point.

One underused historical setting that would lend itself to the Panzer Corps engine would be The Great War.
One set of campaigns The Great War : Central Powers & the same from the Allied point of view?

Balla.

[Chris10]

My personal thoughts about this suggestion:
- Your arguments make sense.
- But people are probably tired of playing for germans already (all content released so far was mostly germans, and West DLCs will be germans too), so allied campaigns should take priority.
- And by the time we are done with allied campaigns, the gameplay itself might get a bit old in people's eyes. There is a limit to what you can achieve using minor "refreshings".

At this point I have no idea if it is true or not. We should know better after we've released all the above campaigns.

+1

and after all that I slightly remember that there was a pacific war theatre too
which then could split up into japanese perspective..allied perspective and last but not least a chinese perspective (yeah...this for conquering the chinese wargame market..1,3 billion possible customers waiting...) ...

and why should gameplay become old ?....its still the same gameplay since PG,isnt it ?
So if it hasnt become old by now why should it in the next 2-3 or even next 15 years ?

[Ballacraine]

and after all that I slightly remember that there was a pacific war theatre too
which then could split up into japanese perspective..allied perspective and last but not least a chinese perspective (yeah...this for conquering the chinese wargame market..1,3 billion possible customers waiting...) ...

and why should gameplay become old ?....its still the same gameplay since PG,isnt it ?
So if it hasnt become old by now why should it in the next 2-3 or even next 15 years ?

I just said that!


Exactly. I mean people are still playing chess after thousands of years.

Balla.

[Rudankort]

and why should gameplay become old ?....its still the same gameplay since PG,isnt it ?

There is a big difference between people playing "that" game from time to time and people who routinely buy any new pack of content you release. The latter group is much smaller. At some point it will make more sense for us to make something new, and bring the whole "PzC experience" to a new level, in terms of game rules, AI, graphics etc., than to continue to produce content packs for existing game. After all, the need for more campaigns can be satisfied by modders too. I have no doubt that we will reach this point somewhere in the future, the only question is, when exactly.

[El_Condoro]

In other words, the point at which commercial viability clashes with the law of diminishing returns. Or 'when the money starts to dry up' - makes sense to me.

[Rudankort]

In other words, the point at which commercial viability clashes with the law of diminishing returns. Or 'when the money starts to dry up' - makes sense to me.

Yes, but not only that. Personally, I believe that we should attempt to develop the series instead of just doing what the modders are good in doing as well. Panzer Corps has a number of problems which are by now well known and understood. These problems are also fundamental enough so that we cannot possibly address them without breaking existing content. Such problems are solved in sequels. And I think, solving these problems would benefit not only us, but the players as well.

[VPaulus]

At some point it will make more sense for us to make something new, and bring the whole "PzC experience" to a new level, in terms of game rules, AI, graphics etc., than to continue to produce content packs for existing game. After all, the need for more campaigns can be satisfied by modders too. I have no doubt that we will reach this point somewhere in the future, the only question is, when exactly.

That make sense. But the approach to Panzer Corps 2 must be very careful. I certainly wouldn't want it become like PG2. Specially in what concerns the graphics and the isometric perspective. IMO, that was a major setback and I know that I'm not alone.

Although you could make a WW1 Corps. People still talk about Historyline 14-18.

[Rudankort]

That make sense. But the approach to Panzer Corps 2 must be very careful. I certainly wouldn't want it become like PG2. Specially in what concerns the graphics and the isometric perspective. IMO, that was a major setback and I know that I'm not alone.

Panzer Corps 2 is going to be a big challenge for us. In PzC our goal was to establish ourselves as THE spiritual sequel of PG, and this was our excuse for being (maybe too) conservative. But still we were often criticized for lack of innovation. In PzC2 we would need to innovate much more, and at the same time remain true to the game spirit. Every change we make will need to be carefully considered. All I can tell is that I have a lot of ideas, and these ideas would take the game in a different direction, compared to PG2. I'm very curios myself how PzC2 will be accepted, if we ever make it of course.

[Ballacraine]

The isometric view in PG 3 was a disaster.

The flaws lie in the nature of the perspective, so don't use that!

Balla

[Razz1]

My personal thoughts about this suggestion:
- Your arguments make sense.
- But people are probably tired of playing for germans already (all content released so far was mostly germans, and West DLCs will be germans too), so allied campaigns should take priority.
- And by the time we are done with allied campaigns, the gameplay itself might get a bit old in people's eyes. There is a limit to what you can achieve using minor "refreshings".

At this point I have no idea if it is true or not. We should know better after we've released all the above campaigns.

I agree Allied Campaign is a better priority.

[gunhojr]

How about a modern day panzercorps.Like you said ww2 ww2 now maybe a modern day panzercorps would be tempting.I for one would buy it.Or a razz idea instead of german campaign you said an allied version maybe it can be around 1945 german has europe africa,and usa is all alone but play as usa and fight back to free the world powers.From past panzer generals playing as allies was to short.i think if you start as america but taking back the allied powers much more senarios could be played.