Triumph of Nations Errata

[shadowdragon]

Prussian Army Corps Autumn 1813 - 1814

Special Instructions on pg. 91: "Each infantry and mixed division MUST have at least one cavalry attachment."

Table for Attachments pg. 94: Cavalry Attachments - "At least 1 and up 2 per infantry division." Minimum bases - "1 per infantry division." Maximum bases - "2* per infantry division." There's no mention of "mixed divisions".

I assume that the special instructions are correct and that the table should be "per infantry or mixed division".

Why is this confusing? A mixed Division has an entire regiment or two of Cavalry, while an infantry Division has at least one and up to 2 cavalry attachments.

It's not a question of confusion but a question of correcting errors.

The special instructions say that each Mixed division MUST have at least ONE cavalry attachment (not unit / regiment). In other words, according to the special instructions, a Mixed Division which must have a cavalry unit to be a "mixed division" must also, additionally, have a cavalry attachment. A "unit" is not an "attachment"; an "attachment" is not a "unit".

Probably they just meant "an infantry division must have at least one cavalry attachment". In which case the special instructions should read, "Each infantry division should must have at least one cavalry attachment." No need to mention mixed divisions at all.

*Note: I correct the error in my post. The "maximum bases" are 2 not 1 per infantry division.

[terrys]

In the notes it says 'If used, guards must all be in the same mixed division'

As there are no Guard cavalry in the list this could prove difficult.

The confusion arises from the classification of the 'Leib' infantry regiment. Leib meaning 'Life' as in 'Life guard'. We originally classified this regiment as guard but later changed it to be an elite line regiment rather than guard.

The statement 'If used, guards must all be in the same mixed division' is still correct even though there is only 1 guard unit.
It does NOT say "ONLY" guard infantry. Therefore you can use other non-guards in the same division.
As you so rightly point out - the statment could quite easliy be left out.

[Simpleton]

Russian Grenadiers Corps 1813-1814 , pg 96

The problem is with the artillery .

They may field heavy artillery with 2-3 bases , the minimum being 2 and the maximum ....also 2 .
They may field medium artillery with 2-3 bases, the minimum being 2 and the maximum 4 ..

So you have 4 compulsory bases and you could get 2 more medium artillery bases ...but the grand maximum artillery bases, heavy and medium combined is also ....4

Something is not right unless I am a very poor matematician

The unit size for heavy should be 2 not 2 or 3. But the medium is fine. As a Corps you can field two small units or one large of medium or you can field 1 small unit of medium and one small of heavy . This is not a standard Corps of course and is primarily a reserve Corps which was drawn upon at need and a source for an imported division or one into which other divisions can be imported. A single division exported from this list can only have one artillery unit as standard and this corps is only allowed two division commanders.

What about the 1815 Prussians? In that list you still only require 2 Division commanders, but require a minimum of 2 Medium, 1 Heavy, and 1 Horse Battery, which under the normal Division ORBATs require 4 Divisions? I would suggest that for the 1815 army you allow each Infantry Division to have 2 Batteries.(not Mixed, because with 2x Batteries and at least 1x Cavalry unit, these would also need at least 4x Infantry units)

[DuncA]

Russian Grenadiers Corps 1813-1814 , pg 96

The problem is with the artillery .

They may field heavy artillery with 2-3 bases , the minimum being 2 and the maximum ....also 2 .
They may field medium artillery with 2-3 bases, the minimum being 2 and the maximum 4 ..

So you have 4 compulsory bases and you could get 2 more medium artillery bases ...but the grand maximum artillery bases, heavy and medium combined is also ....4

Something is not right unless I am a very poor matematician

The unit size for heavy should be 2 not 2 or 3. But the medium is fine. As a Corps you can field two small units or one large of medium or you can field 1 small unit of medium and one small of heavy . This is not a standard Corps of course and is primarily a reserve Corps which was drawn upon at need and a source for an imported division or one into which other divisions can be imported. A single division exported from this list can only have one artillery unit as standard and this corps is only allowed two division commanders.

What about the 1815 Prussians? In that list you still only require 2 Division commanders, but require a minimum of 2 Medium, 1 Heavy, and 1 Horse Battery, which under the normal Division ORBATs require 4 Divisions? I would suggest that for the 1815 army you allow each Infantry Division to have 2 Batteries.(not Mixed, because with 2x Batteries and at least 1x Cavalry unit, these would also need at least 4x Infantry units)

I suspect the fix for this list should be 2 reduce the number of compulsary artillery bases (probably of the mediums). Otherwise, if you allow 2 batteries / infantry division, the army could be fielded with more artillery than any of the Russian lists.

[terrys]

I suspect the fix for this list should be 2 reduce the number of compulsary artillery bases (probably of the mediums). Otherwise, if you allow 2 batteries / infantry division, the army could be fielded with more artillery than any of the Russian lists.

The change will be to reduce the number of compulsary artillery NOT to allow more than 1 battery per division.
At the moment we are considering changing the minimum of 4 medium and 2 heavy to a minimum of 3 between both.

[MkV]

The Brunswick Division on Page 139 states that Lancers are bought in 2 or 3 stands. They must be mixed in with the non-lancers (if used) which are bought in 4 or 6. Then it says the max stands of lancers is 2. Does this mean that you can only purchase a 4 stand "mixed" unit in which they cannot be bought in 2 or 3, they can only be bought in 2, or is the 2 maximum stand limit for the lancers a typo and should be 3?

Thanks.

Mark

[terrys]

The Brunswick Division on Page 139 states that Lancers are bought in 2 or 3 stands. They must be mixed in with the non-lancers (if used) which are bought in 4 or 6. Then it says the max stands of lancers is 2. Does this mean that you can only purchase a 4 stand "mixed" unit in which they cannot be bought in 2 or 3, they can only be bought in 2, or is the 2 maximum stand limit for the lancers a typo and should be 3?

It's on the errata list and will be changed to 3.

I'm hoping to finish the errata list tonight and have it posted over the weekend.

[MkV]

The Brunswick Division on Page 139 states that Lancers are bought in 2 or 3 stands. They must be mixed in with the non-lancers (if used) which are bought in 4 or 6. Then it says the max stands of lancers is 2. Does this mean that you can only purchase a 4 stand "mixed" unit in which they cannot be bought in 2 or 3, they can only be bought in 2, or is the 2 maximum stand limit for the lancers a typo and should be 3?

It's on the errata list and will be changed to 3.

I'm hoping to finish the errata list tonight and have it posted over the weekend.

Thanks, I must have missed it.

Mark

[DuncA]

Sorry if some of these have already been listed, but these are notes I made:

Triumph of Nations Errata

Austrian Infantry Corps, Army of the Danube 1809
Hungarian Line Infantry – Unit size 6, minimum bases 4

Austrian Infantry Corps, Army of Italy and Carinithia 1809
Jaegers are mentioned in the special restrictions, but do not appear in the list.
Irregular Grenzers cost 7pts/base, should be 8pts/base.
Austrian Landwehr cost 5pts/base, should be 4pts/base.

Austrian Infantry Corps, Army of Poland and Bohemia 1809
Are the Allied Brunswickers “The Black Band" infantry reformed or unreformed? Points suggest reformed, but special restrictions state all infantry are unreformed.

Army of Italy 1809
There are a maximum of 5 bases of French 6 or 8pdr artillery allowed; and a maximum of 6 bases of all types of “foot” artillery. However, there are a compulsory 2 bases of Italian artillery; so you can never field the 5 bases of French 6 or 8pdr artillery.
Italian Guard Infantry Troop Type listed as “Guard Infantry” rather than “Line Infantry”.

Army of Duchy or Warsaw 1809
Polish Uhlans Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Army of Tyrolean Revolt 1809
Skirmisher attachments for Tyrolean line infantry units only: a minimum of 2 rifle and a minimum of 2 non-rifle bases. Maximum of 2 per division. However, there only a maximum of 8 bases of Tyrolean line infantry allowed (2 small units); rather than the 16 (4 small units) required for the compulsory 4 bases of skirmisher attachments.

Russian Army of Moldavia 1809
Cossacks Troop Type listed as “Irregular Cavalry” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Russian Guard Corps 1812
Foot Guards Troop Type listed as “Guard Infantry” rather than “Line Infantry”.
Life Guard Uhlans should be 17pts, not 19pts (unless they are meant to be veteran).
Skirmisher Attachments – Up to 1 in any division with no light infantry unit. There are no light infantry in the list.

French Infantry Corps d’Armee 1812 – Allied Contingents
Hessian Guard Infantry Troop Type listed as “Guard Infantry” rather than “Line Infantry”.

French Cavalry Corps d’Armee 1812
Polish Uhlans should be 12pts, not 10pts (unless they are meant to be drilled).

French Imperial Guard 1812
French Chevau-legers Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.
Young Guard 6 pdr Field Artillery Troop Type listed as “Medium Foot Artillery” rather than “Medium Artillery”.

Army of Italy 1812
Italian Light Infantry costed as line infantry instead of light infantry.

French Infantry Corps d’Armee Spring 1813
Hesse Darsmadt Lieb Guarde Troop Type listed as “Guard Infantry” rather than “Line Infantry”.
Bavarian Line Infantry “Poor” troops should be 8pts, not 7pts.

French Infantry Corps Autumn 1813
French Field Artillery – no specific maximum number for veteran.

French Imperial Guard Autumn 1813
Velites of Turin and Florence costed as line infantry instead of light infantry.

Dutchy of Warsaw Autumn 1813
Uhlans Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Kingdom of Saxony Autumn 1813
Uhlans Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Pussian Army Corps Spring 1813
Guard Infantry Troop Type listed as “Guard Infantry” rather than “Line Infantry”.

Pussian Army Corps Autumn 1813-1814 – Lutzow’s Freikorps
Volunteer Cavalry – points per base for Lances should be 12, not 2.

Russian Cavalry Corps 1813-1814
Superior Dragoons should be 14pts, not 13pts.

Austrian Army of Bohemia 1813-1814
Maximum of 6 “foot” artillery. Maximum of 6 Medium Artillery, but 2 compulsory Heavy Artillery.

Austrian Reserve Corps, Army of Bohemia 1813-1814
Cuirassiers – Superior should be 17pts, not 20pts (unless they are supposed to be veteran).

Austrian Army of Northern Italy 1813-1814
Austrian Uhlans should be 10pts, not 9pts.
Neapolitan Cavalleggieri should be 9pts, not 8pts.

Swedish Army of the North 1813-1814
Life Guard Dragoons should be 14pts, not 17pts.
Life Guard Cuirassier should be 17pts, not 20pts.
Russian Cossacks Troop Type listed as “Irregular Cavalry” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Bavarian Army 1813-1814
Light Infantry should be 12pts, not 10pts.

British Division, Low Countries 1814
British Foot Guards points are incorrect for both lines. Should be 18pts (Superiors) and 17pts (Average).

Baden Division 1814
Cossacks Troop Type listed as “Irregular Cavalry” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

French Armies of the Rhine and the Alps 1815
French Line Infantry, conscripts should be 7pts, not 8pts.

Austrian Corps, Army of Naples 1815
German Line Infantry are costed as Reformed, not Unreformed.

Anglo Netherlands Army in Belgium 1815 – Dutch-Belgian Allies
Dutch Belgian Jaegers shoulf be 12pts, not 2pts.

Army of the Netherlands, Dutch-Belgium Reserve Corps 1815
Dutch-Belgium Militia Troop Type listed as “Militia” rather than “Line Infantry”.

Prussian Army Corps 1815
Artillery minima need review. Compulsary 4 batteries (2 medium, 1 heavy, 1 horse).

Army of Bavaria 1815
Light Infantry have been costed as line infantry.

Swiss Corps
How does a mixed Light Cavalry / Heavy Cavalry unit work?

Army of Austria 1815
Uhlans Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

[bahdahbum]

Cossacks Troop Type listed as “Irregular Cavalry” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

But they are irregular cavalry

[bahdahbum]

Uhlans Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Uhlan are lancers

[DuncA]

Cossacks Troop Type listed as “Irregular Cavalry” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

But they are irregular cavalry

Irregular is the Training, not the Troop Type

[DuncA]

Uhlans Troop Type listed as “Lancers” rather than “Light Cavalry”.

Uhlan are lancers

Lances is a Special Capability, not the Troop Type.

[gelin]

Anglo Netherlands army in Belgium 1815:
If i counted correctly i think that at 800 aps you cannot field a Guard division (requires 2 foot guards and 1 battery to form a guard division).
With everything else being minimum you are way over 800 aps if you are to have the foot guards

[terrys]

Anglo Netherlands army in Belgium 1815:
If i counted correctly i think that at 800 aps you cannot field a Guard division (requires 2 foot guards and 1 battery to form a guard division).
With everything else being minimum you are way over 800 aps if you are to have the foot guards

I make the minimum points to be 428 (plus Generals)....so approx 550.
Maximum you can spend on Guard infantry is 210.
Of course there would be more options in a 900 or 1000 pt army.

[terrys]

DuncA

Thank for the list. I've checked it against the list I have, and ammended it accordingly.
I just need Phil to post it now.....

Swiss Corps
How does a mixed Light Cavalry / Heavy Cavalry unit work?

It moves as the slowest base in the unit.
It's considered to be heavier than light cavalry and lighter than heavy cavalry. (page 60)

[gelin]

Anglo Netherlands army in Belgium 1815:
If i counted correctly i think that at 800 aps you cannot field a Guard division (requires 2 foot guards and 1 battery to form a guard division).
With everything else being minimum you are way over 800 aps if you are to have the foot guards

I make the minimum points to be 428 (plus Generals)....so approx 550.
Maximum you can spend on Guard infantry is 210.
Of course there would be more options in a 900 or 1000 pt army.

In the instructions for building customized army:
British foot Guards, if used, must be in the same division which may not contain any other units except artillery. With the restrictions of page 158, if one is to take the Guards, he should take 2 foot guard regiments plus an foot artillery unit to form a guard division (84+84+40)=208 points

Another list specific requirement is that cavalry units must be combined to form up to 2 cavalry divisions. A cavalry division both heavy cavalry and light cavalry must have a minimum of 8 bases of each.
So, if i am to have both light and heavy cavalry (reasonable) i must take 2 light cavalry units and 2 heavy cavalry units. Lets take the minimums, 2 average Dragoons and 2 average light Dragoons for a total of 152 points.
If i go for the heavy only or the light only i must have at least 12 bases of Core cavalry
If i am to take only heavy cavalry the total goes to 2*4 Average Dragoons plus the Superior Dragoons=176
If i am to take only the light cavalry the total goes to 2*4 light average Dragoons plus 1*4 KGL light dragoons = 96

in the case of heavy only or light only cavalry division the horse artillery completes the division 48 points which are compulsory.

The absolute minimums for British foot and Hanoverian foot (compulsory) are
1*4 Superior British infantry 68
3*4 Average Drilled British Infantry 120
2*6 Hanoverian Landwehr 60
total for compulsory foot 248

1 Competent Corps Commander 30
1 Cavalry Division Commander 30
1 Guard Division Commander30
1 all others Division Commander 30
total for commanders 120

Total if i go for the option of mixed light and heavy cavalry 776
Total if i go for the heavy cavalry division option 800
Total if i go for the light cavalry division option 760 (this is the only option that leaves points to take a unit )

So, all in all Guard division can be formed but practically you have to take everything else at the lowest possible quality (for example the Havoverians are complete crap)

Now going to watch the Euro Final....

[bahdahbum]

cavalry units must be combined to form up to 2 cavalry divisions

In your list you take

1 Competent Corps Commander 30
1 Cavalry Division Commander 30
1 Guard Division Commander30
1 all others Division Commander 30
total for commanders 120

It seems to me you are missing a Division commander ans you MUST have deux cavalry divisions, you need 2 cavalry divisions commander + the guard division commander + another infantry division commander and the Corps commander : 5 generals .

[gelin]

2 cav divisions are not compulsory. The composition of the cav divisions are an issue as it states that if a cav division contains both heavy and light cqv, it must have at least 8 bases of each, hence 2 light cav units and 2 heavy cav units

[terrys]

Prussian 1813 list.

In the notes it says 'If used, guards must all be in the same mixed division'

As there are no Guard cavalry in the list this could prove difficult.

I think it a bit harsh to have to buy a Divisional commander for just one unit of infantry.

You are misreading the restriction.
It does NOT say that a division containing guards can ONLY contain guards.

NB. The errata will remove this restriction entirely, since it is superfluous.