Ebbene si, per accontentare Zatapec (e vedere cosa diavolo succedeva tra warriors e Tercios) abbiamo provato a 800 pts le seguenti liste:
Japs:
4x 6Samurai, warriors, Sup. HEA, Spear
1x 4Hatamoto, det. foot, Sup. HEA, Spear
2x 8Pirati, warriors, Avg, UA, 1/2 Impact f., Swds; 1/2 Bow, Swds
1x 8Pirati, warriors, Avg, UA, 1/2 Impact f., Swds; 1/2 Swds
2x 8 Ashigaru, warriors, Avg, HA, Bow
2x 8 Ashigaru, warriors, Avg, HA, HW
2x 8 Ashigaru, warriors, Avg, HA, Spear
3xTC ed 1xAC
Real Madrid:
2 Early Tercios Sup da 16 mix HF Picche/HA & MF Arq./UA
1 Early Tercios Avg da 16 mix HF Picche/HA & MF Arq./UA
8 MF avg, UA, Arq
2 Md Gun
4 LF avg, UA, Mu
4 Gendarmi, Sup EHA, Lt L.
4 Celadas, Horse, Sup, EHA, Lt L. (di questo non sono sicurissimo)
4 carabinieri, Horse, Avg, HA, Carabina e pistola da mischia
Perdo l'iniziativa, Ciro il Grande (Caccaviello) sceglie un terreno aperto, io chiuso, il risultato è un terreno abbastanza sgombro, tranne un Enclosed field proprio al centro dello schieramento spagnolo.
Comincio io a schierare: gli ashigaru arcieri schierati di fronte all'enclosed field, dove confido di trovare gli archibugeri, ad ambedue i lati i samurai e gli hatamoto, su ciascun fianco Ashigaru HW e Ashigaru Spear. Schiero le tre unità di pirati quasi a cuneo nella cerniera tra centro e mio fianco sinistro.
La mia idea è di caricare almeno un tercio con i pirati (che almeno al primo turno vanno pari), e tentare un doppio aggiramento sui fianchi.
Ciro il Grande schiera due tercio (uno Avg) sulla sua destra dell'enclosed field (dove effettivamente ha piazzato gli archibugeri) ed uno Sup sulla sua sinistra dell'Enclosed field. La sua sinistra è rifiutata: i LF schermagliano vicino l'artiglieria, e sull'estrema sinistra schermagliano i carabinieri.
Fondamentale il piazzamento dei gendarmi, che proteggono il fianco destro di Ciro il Grande e le celadas, piazzata tra i due tercios della sua destra.
I miei partono correndo, coprendo tutto il fianco e tentando di aggirare... ma non ci riescono: carabinieri e LF non si fanno aggirare, si ritirano con dignitosa lentezza di fronte alle cariche degli ashigaru e riescono addirittura a rallentarmi tanto (complice qualche dado sfigato) da impedirmi di prendere il mio più facile obiettivo, la sua artiglieria (singolarmente inefficace, d'altronde).
Il tercio solitario viene aggredito (anche se non contemporaneamente, purtroppo), da due unità di samurai e dagli Hatamoto, ma senza effetto alcuno (se non quello di disordinare hatamoto ed un samurai!).
E' al centro ed alla mia sinistra che si decide il tutto.
Innanzi tutto i miei ashigaru, anche se essendo 2:1 non riescono ad aggirare i gendarmi, e si fanno inchiodare da loro, finiranno quindi per caricarli dando luogo ad una lunga ed incerta mischia. la prima unità di pirati si avvicina troppo (altro mio errore) ed inutilmente al tercio estremo (sup) si fa disordinare da esso, carica e viene piallata da esso. La stessa sorte aspetta la seconda unità di pirati, strapazzata dalle celadas: due rotte quasi al primo impatto (soprattutto la seconda sfortunata). Il tercio immediatamente alla dx dell'enclosed field tiene duro sotto attacco di un'unità di samurai e di una di arcieri: pur subendo il 25% delle perdite resiste (è average). Gli archibugeri di Ciro, sotto tiro dei Bow escono dal riparo, tirano alla seconda unità di arcieri, li disordina, li carica, li rompe !! carica la seconda unità di arcieri ashigaru, già impegnata dal tercios Avg ma viene a sua volta rotta. Ma oramai il mio fianco sinistro cede: le celadas cominciano a picchiare la mia ultima unità di pirati, che tiene, il tercio sup, rotti i pirati, si avventa sugli ashigaru HW che tengono i gendarmi e li rompe, seguiti a loro volta dall'altra unità di Ahigaru impegnata dai Gendarmi rotta anche essa da questi ultimi. Ho cinque rotte contro una e la mia ala è partita, gendarmi ed un tercio avanzano indisturbati. La partita finisce lì, oggettivamente credo che se continuata, mi avrebbe fatto le due rotte necessarie a brekkarmi l'esercito, io al max potevo sperare di prendergli l'artiglieria e spingere carabinieri e LF fuori campo.
Quindi Zatapec ha avuto ragione (a parte un paio di miei errori madornali), ma in realtà è stato il mix cavalleria/tercios a rompermi: i tercios hanno fatto da incudine, la cavalleria da martello, si sono dimostrati estremamente complementari ed hanno indicato una tattica buona anche per altre formazioni europee: una stretta collaborazione tra cavalleria da shock e fanteria.
D'altronde bisogna dire che solo i Tercios hanno quella capacità di resistenza che fa si che uno solo di loro possa tenere un intero fianco...
Comunque non sono del tutto convinto che i Japs non possano far nulla contro i Tercios... ci dobbiamo riprovare!
Con questo battle report esaurisco il trittico... Ciro il Grande parte per Pasargade ... dagli inizi di Luglio mi allenerò con Guglielmo il Conquistatore, alias Bill Marley alias Guglielmo Marlia !!!
Battle Report: Japanese Vs Spanish
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Re: Battle Report: Japanese Vs Spanish
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I tercios sono a mio parere le unità più sottovalutate, in questi giorni stò rileggendo tutte le liste per trovarne una da portare a Britcon che è un Open, stò facendo un pensierino al Caroline Imperialist (segue post con la lista).
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