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GottaLove88s
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True force selection?

Post by GottaLove88s »

Enric raises an interesting point about the accidental unfairness of the force selection model, favouring the Germans in some new MP scenarios...

But I guess the question at the heart of this is shouldn't we be able to have true force selection, ie. No freebies or compulsory choices? Isn't it softening the impact of force selection in, for example, Meeting Engagement Redux if both sides get 4 compulsory scouts for free? Please let me make my own decisions, even if they might be unwise, so two sides can genuinely look and behave differently...

enric wrote:In general, in my opinion, all redux games are balanced in favor of the german side.

Taking Winter Village as example:

Initial points: 1500 to both sides
Allied get also for free:
- 1 engineer 45
- 2 scouts 2 x 42 = 84
- 1 M3 41
Total value 170

The german get also for free
- 2 Tigers 2 x 160 = 320
- 3 Marder 3 x 75 = 225
- 2 Stug G 2 x 105 = 105
Total value 755

So, in fact, the allied get 1500 + 170 = 1670
and the german 1500 + 755 = 2255

To deal with the Panthers and Tiger you need to have more units as no allied unit can have an equal duel with these tanks, so the logical would be that the allied has more points than the german.
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Re: True force selection?

Post by IainMcNeil »

Fundamentally we agree with you, but there were some bugs in the force set up which we are fixing and will release a new beta today. These remove almost all pre-set units.

Currently the system only allows equal points for both sides. We are using pre-set forces for the Allies to give them a small boost. So rather than the Germans having more, the Allies will have a small advantage on points. We're looking at around 100 points of pre-set Allied troops to give the Allies a 1600 to 1500 points advantage. This combined with allied tanks being cheaper should give a much fairer fight, despite the German monster tanks.

Other than this there will be no pre-set forces and you'll be free to buy what you want.

We've also added in some small anti tank guns for a bit of variety.
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Re: True force selection?

Post by GottaLove88s »

Thanks Iain... sounds like a smart solution... and did you say "anti tank guns for a bit of variety? HUGE YAAAY!! :-)
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Seelow'45 -> www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=313&t=55132
Normandy'44 -> www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=42094
Dieppe'42 -> www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=42347
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