Morris vs Joe Rock

[richardsd]

yep, that would be where all those PP's went

but letting the Allies into France in 43 may still prove costly

[Morris]

yep, that would be where all those PP's went

but letting the Allies into France in 43 may still prove costly

Yes , before they stayed in England ,we can't beat them , but when they came to france, it became possible .

[richardsd]

yep, that would be where all those PP's went

but letting the Allies into France in 43 may still prove costly

Yes , before they stayed in England ,we can't beat them , but when they came to france, it became possible .

but the Aliied airforce can't attack you unless he has ground unit in France to draw you out

[metolius]

Love it Morris! You are a genius. You've got him.

[Morris]

Love it Morris! You are a genius. You've got him.

I am flattered ! I am not a genius . But in front of a player like Joe , I have to work hard & do something unusual

[Cybvep]

This is interesting. We will see whether your Eastern Line holds, though.

[richardsd]

at lest as equally interesting will be what Joe can do with his Para's

[Morris]

This is interesting. We will see whether your Eastern Line holds, though.

We will hold in the east especially when luftwaffe come back after finish our yellow plan .

[Morris]

at lest as equally interesting will be what Joe can do with his Para's

I think he will use them to hold the city or fortress .

[Peter Stauffenberg]

We don't know how this will turn out without knowing the Axis oil and manpower level. One thing is to have a lot of shining armor units, but if they can't move or attack then they're not worth much.

I would probably have placed more of the armor units on the east front to stop the more dangerous opponent (USSR). But that depends on having enough oil to make a counter attack.

I wonder if Joerock has enough strategic bombers to bombard all the German oilfields. If Nagykanitsa, Leuna and Scholven are all bombed then Germany won't get much oil each turn. So Morris needs a healthy oil level now to hold on till May 1945.

If I were Joerock I would attack this weakness and use air units to lure the Luftwaffe into intercepting and then terror bomb the German armor units. The King tiger panzers are great when at full efficiency, but if bombed into red or orange efficiency they can easily be destroyed.

I'm not sure about the true strength of Joerock because we only see screenshots from Morris. So let's wait a turn or two for Joerock's response before we make any conclusions here. Joe is such an experienced player he knows that Morris must have built something when he retreated from Russia. Now Morris has shown his cards and then Joe doesn't have to worry anymore.

I think the only real danger here for Joe is if the German western armor blob has the firepower to clear the Allied presence in France. I doubt that is possible without Luftwaffe support, but they can at least delay the Allied offensive towards Paris for quite some turn.

If Joe is retreating his Allied units in France, then Morris has a chance. If instead the Allied airpower strikes and Joe continues the offensive in France then I would probably withdraw the German panzers behind the Siegfried line. Then the panzers can be used to destroy any Allied units breaching the Rhine defense line or land north of the Rhine.

The Morris offensive can easily turn out like Hitler's last gamble with the Battle of the Bulge. So let's not count out Joe before we see his response to the Axis offensive. The main weakness I see for Joe is that many air units in France are quite exposed to Axis attacks. So he might have to withdraw his fighters and if the Luftwaffe is up then he might not have enough support for his bombers to neutralize the Axis panzers.

[Plaid]

Man who reach 0 oil as axis in GS 2.1 will be officially my new hero.
I am trying for almost year to achieve it, but never succed. Totally never.
Damn fuel goes to 1000+ and stays there until may 1945.

[Morris]

Man who reach 0 oil as axis in GS 2.1 will be officially my new hero.
I am trying for almost year to achieve it, but never succed. Totally never.
Damn fuel goes to 1000+ and stays there until may 1945.

Yes , you are quite right . I am above 1000 oil too !

[Morris]

We don't know how this will turn out without knowing the Axis oil and manpower level. One thing is to have a lot of shining armor units, but if they can't move or attack then they're not worth much.

I would probably have placed more of the armor units on the east front to stop the more dangerous opponent (USSR). But that depends on having enough oil to make a counter attack.

I wonder if Joerock has enough strategic bombers to bombard all the German oilfields. If Nagykanitsa, Leuna and Scholven are all bombed then Germany won't get much oil each turn. So Morris needs a healthy oil level now to hold on till May 1945.

If I were Joerock I would attack this weakness and use air units to lure the Luftwaffe into intercepting and then terror bomb the German armor units. The King tiger panzers are great when at full efficiency, but if bombed into red or orange efficiency they can easily be destroyed.

I'm not sure about the true strength of Joerock because we only see screenshots from Morris. So let's wait a turn or two for Joerock's response before we make any conclusions here. Joe is such an experienced player he knows that Morris must have built something when he retreated from Russia. Now Morris has shown his cards and then Joe doesn't have to worry anymore.

I think the only real danger here for Joe is if the German western armor blob has the firepower to clear the Allied presence in France. I doubt that is possible without Luftwaffe support, but they can at least delay the Allied offensive towards Paris for quite some turn.

If Joe is retreating his Allied units in France, then Morris has a chance. If instead the Allied airpower strikes and Joe continues the offensive in France then I would probably withdraw the German panzers behind the Siegfried line. Then the panzers can be used to destroy any Allied units breaching the Rhine defense line or land north of the Rhine.

The Morris offensive can easily turn out like Hitler's last gamble with the Battle of the Bulge. So let's not count out Joe before we see his response to the Axis offensive. The main weakness I see for Joe is that many air units in France are quite exposed to Axis attacks. So he might have to withdraw his fighters and if the Luftwaffe is up then he might not have enough support for his bombers to neutralize the Axis panzers.

Sir : I quite understand your points & I remember your bets . I have to report several points you concern as follows for your reference:
1 I have enough oil
2 I have strong air support ( 12 lvl 12 FTR )
3 My manpower is over 650
4 My Manstein yellow plan is not like Hitler's last gamble with the Battle of the Bulge . Because it won't be easy to turn out .

[TotalerKrieg]

Nice attack in France Morris! I don't know why people thought you might be low in oil, as far as I can tell the Axis haven't done much to burn oil for many turns in this game.

I'm pulling for you in this game since it seems most other players are pulling for Joerock. Good luck!

[zechi]

Impressive counterstrike and well done. If you can push out the Allies in the West and then throw everything in the east, you should be able to easily win.

[Morris]

Nice attack in France Morris! I don't know why people thought you might be low in oil, as far as I can tell the Axis haven't done much to burn oil for many turns in this game.

I'm pulling for you in this game since it seems most other players are pulling for Joerock. Good luck!

thanks for your support . Most people pull for Joe is just because they want me to be defeated ! Joe is a great player , He does have the ability .So they bet on him . But It seems a few people including Ronnie , Duncan & Zechi ,etc also bet on me .God knows who will win at the end !

[Morris]

Impressive counterstrike and well done. If you can push out the Allies in the West and then throw everything in the east, you should be able to easily win.

It is also my plan . But As Allies has conquered Brest , Nante ,& Cherburg ( two of them are fortress) , It is impossible to push out the allies in the west .What I can do now is trying my best to kill Allies ground units as many as possible & delay the Allies's step to Germany in the near future ..

[Morris]

May 17th 1944 fair everywhere

In the east , Soviet made another breakthrough ,but will fix it easily .

In the west , Joe made a full retreat in western France . We catch up with Allies's mainbody around Rennes , & kill 4 more Corp & 1 more Mech , Also badly hurt a para .
Also Luftwaffe give great support to our ground units .If Allies retreat to the area around Brest & the fortress , we will finish this mission & go back to our position .( I think they will ) . There are still 3 arm , one Mech & 4 paras in western France .If they won't retreat , We will kill them all

In Italy , Rome is under attack & will fall very soon .But it is not important to me . The most dangerous challenge is Soviet steamroller !


I forgot to save the screenshot after moves , So just provide screenshot before my moves :


east front






west front







Italy front

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I think the danger can come from the south as well since Joe is clearing up Italy now. That means the Allies can press towards Munich and flank the Siegfried line.

It actually doesn't matter if the Germans push the Allied units in France all the way to Brest if the Allies break through in the center. Once Hamburg and Berlin fall the Germans will surrender.

If Morris can quickly dispose of the Allied units in France and then rail the panzers back to Germany to deal with the southern Allied units and the Russian units then I think Morris can actually win.

It's interesting to know how many German units are destroyed each turn and what is the Axis production now.

[zechi]

I don't think a push from the south will be possible in due time as the Allies will have to move through the Alps and can easily be blocked with a few ground units (even GAR) to avoid that they advance to quickly. I think Morris is in a good position to win the game now as the Allies will not be able to push into Germany from the west and south before the bad weather period, i.e. Morriss can direct his best units to the eastern front.

Joe Rocks only chance would be major breakthrough in the east before the weather will make movement difficult and luck with the weather in autumn/winter 1944/1945