FORTRESS EUROPA improved (no Diplomaticus)

[Crazygunner1]

He probably don't have that many tanks yet...have you seen mass on inf corps? There are around 40 corps, so he probably was scared that you would keep up the offensive in russia and he planned à lot for defense.

Hope he doesnt have any subs that scouts the english channel so you get first strike

[Crazygunner1]

Oh i now see that he got à sub there

[supermax]

he does have a lot of subs. In the case of him moving against my fleet, i do dearly hope he does that, since if he moves his surface fleet in the channel, he wont be covered by his airforce anymore... And i will be solidly covered.

We will see how things turns out. Next few turns are going to be critical.

[richardsd]

Yes Zechi, i also see these things. As you may have noticed, i have been assembling my fleet for just such an offensive. On the map right now i have 13 DD, 5-6 subs, 6-7 BB, 3 CV. I just need to move it into position.

As to the allied airfleet, well i will have 5 X FTR (dogfight 8 ftr) next turn in England, in addition to a total of 4 CV that will be moved into position, + 4-5 TAC. I should be able to get interesting results against the allied once that is all in place.

My problem right now is the oil situation. I am managing to hover above 400 every turn, but it could go down rapidly soon, as my army is a oil hog and drinks lots of it. Just to give you an idea, i have so many FTR that it now cost me 110 + to get one. Same situation with the mech and armor... So when i attack, its going to be because i can do damage in a significant way. I also will have severely hampered strategical options probably till the end of the game.

But all in all, i am still wondering why Diplomaticus has landed so few troops. They will get massacred with the 5 armor i will have on the island (2 SS!!!), i still think the main landing will occur somewhere else... But, where are these transport lurking???

On another subject, i dont understand why Diplo has not deployed any tanks in Russia... He wont get anywhere with INF corps to break my line of defense...

If I was him I would be building my Airforce still - I think your biggest weakness is oil, but he may not know that!

The Naval battle is going to be Pacific style big!

[supermax]

Yes Zechi, i also see these things. As you may have noticed, i have been assembling my fleet for just such an offensive. On the map right now i have 13 DD, 5-6 subs, 6-7 BB, 3 CV. I just need to move it into position.

As to the allied airfleet, well i will have 5 X FTR (dogfight 8 ftr) next turn in England, in addition to a total of 4 CV that will be moved into position, + 4-5 TAC. I should be able to get interesting results against the allied once that is all in place.

My problem right now is the oil situation. I am managing to hover above 400 every turn, but it could go down rapidly soon, as my army is a oil hog and drinks lots of it. Just to give you an idea, i have so many FTR that it now cost me 110 + to get one. Same situation with the mech and armor... So when i attack, its going to be because i can do damage in a significant way. I also will have severely hampered strategical options probably till the end of the game.

But all in all, i am still wondering why Diplomaticus has landed so few troops. They will get massacred with the 5 armor i will have on the island (2 SS!!!), i still think the main landing will occur somewhere else... But, where are these transport lurking???

On another subject, i dont understand why Diplo has not deployed any tanks in Russia... He wont get anywhere with INF corps to break my line of defense...

If I was him I would be building my Airforce still - I think your biggest weakness is oil, but he may not know that!

The Naval battle is going to be Pacific style big!

As for oil, he knows. I am pretty sure thats why hes been offering me cannon fodder for the whole game.

As to the naval battle, i suspect it might never be fought, but if it is it will be magnificent!!!

[supermax]

[supermax]

[Crazygunner1]

You have been on the edge of the map before plenty of times....probably more than any other player

Looks like you got the Allied landings in England under control...how about the russians. Are they strong on the ground, what kind of tech do they ahve compare to yours?

[gchristie]

Max,

Would those Italians heading south into the Sahara be led by Lorenzo of Arabia by any chance?

[supermax]

Lorenzo is indeed at their head!!!

Guys, sorry for that i havent posted the last 3 turns, i guess i got Lazy.

A little bit of a heads up:

England: July august 43 now, middle and southern landings under control, the Brits have taken a foothold in the extreme north. The allies wont retake britain in 1943. This will bring them to 1944 if they even succeed (so officially no Allies in Berlin for the whole game ). German fleet complete now, all of it positionned in our aroung the british isles. Waiting for the right time to strike. No rush since the offensive has bogged down and they wont be able to hit hard in 43, so saving oil for the more urgents situation.

Russia: The Russian are slugging forward, but lose an amazing amount of air steps(4 to 1 in favor of Axis). Also, inexplicably, they dont have 1 armor on the map right now that i can see, so they are grinding forward with INF and MECH only. I am way ahead of the last game on that front, and its totally under control, since he cant even have a breaktrough there is no tank.

I think he all does this on purpose, because he want me to run dry on oil before truly pushing hard forward... That is why i have slowed down on counter-attacks several turns ago. I have things under control in England and could destroy everything he has, but i am content with the situation and i need to save oil so all cool. In Russia, i only need to provide cannon fodder and exchange manpower for oil, in the sense that i have been saving oil, even if i dont really have to (i am at 300 right now). Why? Well i wont win this game by destroying allied units, but i will win by preventing him to advance towards Berlin. So by doing this i will always have the necessary oil to counter-attack and adress any emergencies. No need to risk being caught pants down!

Other minor fronts: I have flooded the map with troops in Morroco, we are now approaching Agadir from all sides. Effectiveness is down the gutter, so it will be hard and long... Egypt my troops are still solidly holding the Suez - Port Said defensive line.

So, the game is won in the west, only potential game killer is in the northern Europe corridor, its dangerously close to Berlin. Anyway, that , so far, is holding. I just need brave soldiers to die for the fatherland's glory.

[supermax]

[Peter Stauffenberg]

It's still only 1943 and your oil is down to 240. I think the only problem you have is that your oil can get down to 0 and then he can almost attack at will.
The problem with upgrades is that the oil consumption will increase as well so it may be necessary to hold some upgrades despite the useful extra firepower one could get.

Is the oil level stable around 250 or is it dropping each turn?

[Morris]

It's still only 1943 and your oil is down to 240. I think the only problem you have is that your oil can get down to 0 and then he can almost attack at will.
The problem with upgrades is that the oil consumption will increase as well so it may be necessary to hold some upgrades despite the useful extra firepower one could get.

Is the oil level stable around 250 or is it dropping each turn?

You can find the answer from the AAR of last several turns : 395 - 289- 264-240- ? He will run out of his fuel after 10 turns at the present oil comsumption speed . Of course he can make all airforce sleep from next turn . It will save the oil but lose the units . It will be a hard choice .

[supermax]

It's still only 1943 and your oil is down to 240. I think the only problem you have is that your oil can get down to 0 and then he can almost attack at will.
The problem with upgrades is that the oil consumption will increase as well so it may be necessary to hold some upgrades despite the useful extra firepower one could get.

Is the oil level stable around 250 or is it dropping each turn?

Its been stable for 5 turns now.

I dont need to use all my firepower on every front...

I just need to punch him hard on a front every 2 turns.

I have been aware of my oil issue for a while now, but i am managing. Attacking as much as i did could not have any other consequences!

[supermax]

It's still only 1943 and your oil is down to 240. I think the only problem you have is that your oil can get down to 0 and then he can almost attack at will.
The problem with upgrades is that the oil consumption will increase as well so it may be necessary to hold some upgrades despite the useful extra firepower one could get.

Is the oil level stable around 250 or is it dropping each turn?

You can find the answer from the AAR of last several turns : 395 - 289- 264-240- ? He will run out of his fuel after 10 turns at the present oil comsumption speed . Of course he can make all airforce sleep from next turn . It will save the oil but lose the units . It will be a hard choice .

Yes, but the thing is that i didnt post for 3-4 turns before this one So if you check closely, 3 or 4 turns before that (previous post with images) i was at 260 ( so real consumtion is 20 for 4 turns) . From may 43 my oil at turn end was 289. So its been stable and i am holding the allies off at a distance in summer. As for winter, sure the Russians will have an edge, but the western allies wont be able to do much so i wont expand oil in the west for a while. I expect to be back at 300 next spring. No biggie

And as you said Morris, i can simply exchange manpower damage for not using oil. I have 200 revenue and can do that for several turn. I can also win some turns ny exchanging territory for oil(this i will probably do in 43-44 winter). I am not toast thats for sure, and i wont run out, i will simply have to find ways with non-consuming oil units. Its rather doable ive done it before like in my Amerika in flame AAR where i attacked the whole map and held out till 1945.

[supermax]

So, aughust is now almost over. The front has become static for the totality of summer 1943. Its almost like i dont have to do anything and stay in my trenches to wait the end of the war.

But, of course, there isnt such a thing. My opponent is doing just enough to make me expand oil, and i can bet my house on the fact that the Russians tanks are just lying in wait outside the range of my heavy bombers. When he feels i dont have oil anymore, he will attack. So, i can expecta humoungous offensive from both sides of the map.

I can see the axis forces crumbling without aircover and tank support.

Well, we arent going to let that happen to our army in 1944. Since Diplomaticus is content doing nothing and only nibble at our forces, we will just do nothing like he does. Our oil will either accumulates or stay the same, wihici is fine with the high command­

We will simply expand whats left (little over 200) in summer 1944 to keep the allies away long enough, while we fill all hexes in germany to protect Berlin and France.

Oil differential for thia turn compared to last turn: -1, at 239. All is holding. Ploesti at 0 production. This isnt helping!

[richardsd]

winter will be crucial for the eastern front, if the Russin's don't make substantial inroads they won't have time to get to Berlin

also I assume you are watching for a sneaky landing in Atlantic Southern France!

[supermax]

winter will be crucial for the eastern front, if the Russin's don't make substantial inroads they won't have time to get to Berlin

also I assume you are watching for a sneaky landing in Atlantic Southern France!

We,, watching yes, i have troops in every ports. Beside that i can rail troops from Spain that are garrisonning there.

I am also producing troops now to cover these... manpower at 69 %... Although i dont really loose any every turn with my 10 prod, only if i start producing land troops, which i am right now. I have to be ready for the possibility of running out of oil.

If you guys can help me:

1- How many SS units in 1944?
2- What is the oil usable in defensive mode for tanks and planes? Do they use as much as in offense? I dont think its in the manual­.
3- How many para?
4- How many FTR?
5- How many mechs and tanks?

Thanks!

[supermax]

winter will be crucial for the eastern front, if the Russin's don't make substantial inroads they won't have time to get to Berlin

also I assume you are watching for a sneaky landing in Atlantic Southern France!

As for winter, i quite agree. I will try to fend off the Russian with a massive manpower surge and cannon fodder. I will probaly never retreat from the hexes i am in. This will be costly, but will impede the Russians from gaining precious ground for their 44 offensive. I suspect it will be huge with an impossible number of tanks. He will also try to land in northern Germany i believe. I have my own little plan for that. Its too obvious he also might try another one in the south with Paras. Anyway i would plan this!

[joerock22]

If you guys can help me:

1- How many SS units in 1944?
2- What is the oil usable in defensive mode for tanks and planes? Do they use as much as in offense? I dont think its in the manual­.
3- How many para?
4- How many FTR?
5- How many mechs and tanks?

Thanks!

Here is my understanding about the answers to your questions (someone please correct me if I'm wrong):

1. SS limit goes up to 8 in 1944 and 10 in 1945
2. I believe tanks and planes use the same amount of oil in combat, whether they are attacking, intercepting, or being attacked. Sorry, no help for you here.
3. Germany and Italy can have 5 and 2 paras respectively in 1944 and 1945. Note - there is a limit on the number of paras you can build in a year; you get a message about this on the first turn of 1944
4 & 5. Unit limit for all types is 15 in 1944 and 20 in 1945