French 1813 Corps - Cavalry Attachments

[shadowdragon]

I didn't find this question in a quick search. Apologies if it's already been asked and answered.

Are the 1813 French allowed cavalry attachments? They're in the list but the combination of special instructions and min/max sort comes out "no".

The relevant special instructions:

"Cavalry, if purchased MUST be in a mixed division and there may be no more than 2 cavalry units in each with a maximum of 8 stands." Fine...that means the corps can't have a cavalry division.
"Cavalry attachments for infantry are only allowed if no cavalry units are purchased." To what else other than infantry would you attach cavalry? But it would seem you can either have only cavalry units in the corps or only cavalry attachments.
"No attachments to cavalry units are permitted." Fine. You can't attach cavalry to cavalry, but this really means you no horse artillery attached to the cavalry. Not really relevant but humourous in the context of the above bullet.

List - Core Cavalry: "Minimum of 4 bases", which means you HAVE to have a minimum of 1 cavalry unit. So according to the second special instruction above....no cavalry attachments for infantry.

Attachments: "Up to 1 allowed in a division with no cavalry unit." That means none for a mixed division (infantry and cavalry units). But, again, the 2nd special instruction means if any cavalry units are purchased you can't have an attachment and "Core Cavalry" minimum forces you to buy at least 1 unit.

Seems that the 2nd special instructions bullet is the one that's out of sync. or else the "Core Cavalry" minimum should only apply if any non-attached cavalry are purchased.

An answer - pointer to the thread where this is answered would be appreciated as I've finally cleared the table and can play my first FoG N game. Yay!!!!

[BrettPT]

I think that the intention is probably that a division can contain a cavalry unit(s), or cavalry attachments, but not both.

Assuming this is the case, the 4th bullet point on page 129 should be errated to read:

"Cavalry attachments for infantry are only allowed in a division containing no cavalry units"

Terry, one to add to your list?

[SirGarnet]

Or to reflect the paucity of cavalry, maybe the intention was that you can have only 4 cavalry bases - whether in one unit or in 4 attachments (if you have enough divisions).

[shadowdragon]

Or to reflect the paucity of cavalry, maybe the intention was that you can have only 4 cavalry bases - whether in one unit or in 4 attachments (if you have enough divisions).

Then there'd be no point to the maximum of 8 bases for core cavalry...not to mention the optional cavalry that would be in addition to the minimum 4 bases of core cavalry. Would be easy enough to say max of x bases of cavalry in the army. So I'm going with Brett's view. Cavalry attachments are only allowed in divisions without cavalry units which is what it says under "attachments".

Thanks for the feedback.

[terrys]

I think that the intention is probably that a division can contain a cavalry unit(s), or cavalry attachments, but not both.

Assuming this is the case, the 4th bullet point on page 129 should be errated to read:

"Cavalry attachments for infantry are only allowed in a division containing no cavalry units"

Terry, one to add to your list?

The intention is as follows:
All cavalry units must be in mixed divisions.
Any number of mixed divisions may be used.
A mixed division may contain 1 unit of 4 or 6 bases, or 2 units of 4 bases of cavalry.
If no cavalry units are purchased each (infantry) division can contain up to 1 attachment of cavalry.

You have a choice of grouping your understrength cavalry regiments in units, or leaving them as seperate units spread amongst your divisions as attachments. You can't do both.

[SirGarnet]

Looking at the book, yes it seems clear except that the Minimum of 4 Core Cavalry needs to go away or be conditional so that attachments are an option.

[shadowdragon]

I think that the intention is probably that a division can contain a cavalry unit(s), or cavalry attachments, but not both.

Assuming this is the case, the 4th bullet point on page 129 should be errated to read:

"Cavalry attachments for infantry are only allowed in a division containing no cavalry units"

Terry, one to add to your list?

The intention is as follows:
All cavalry units must be in mixed divisions.
Any number of mixed divisions may be used.
A mixed division may contain 1 unit of 4 or 6 bases, or 2 units of 4 bases of cavalry.
If no cavalry units are purchased each (infantry) division can contain up to 1 attachment of cavalry.

You have a choice of grouping your understrength cavalry regiments in units, or leaving them as seperate units spread amongst your divisions as attachments. You can't do both.

That's understood, but then the "core cavalry" minimum should be 0 and not 4. Otherwise it's not possible to have a condition where "no cavalry units are purchased".

[terrys]

The intention is as follows:
All cavalry units must be in mixed divisions.
Any number of mixed divisions may be used.
A mixed division may contain 1 unit of 4 or 6 bases, or 2 units of 4 bases of cavalry.
If no cavalry units are purchased each (infantry) division can contain up to 1 attachment of cavalry.

You have a choice of grouping your understrength cavalry regiments in units, or leaving them as seperate units spread amongst your divisions as attachments. You can't do both.

That's understood, but then the "core cavalry" minimum should be 0 and not 4. Otherwise it's not possible to have a condition where "no cavalry units are purchased".

Hmmmm - I'll have a discussion with Mike about this.
We either have to remove the minimum of 4 cavalry bases or delete the bullet point restriction on cavalry attachments.

[MikeHorah]

The intention is as follows:
All cavalry units must be in mixed divisions.
Any number of mixed divisions may be used.
A mixed division may contain 1 unit of 4 or 6 bases, or 2 units of 4 bases of cavalry.
If no cavalry units are purchased each (infantry) division can contain up to 1 attachment of cavalry.

You have a choice of grouping your understrength cavalry regiments in units, or leaving them as seperate units spread amongst your divisions as attachments. You can't do both.

That's understood, but then the "core cavalry" minimum should be 0 and not 4. Otherwise it's not possible to have a condition where "no cavalry units are purchased".

Hmmmm - I'll have a discussion with Mike about this.
We either have to remove the minimum of 4 cavalry bases or delete the bullet point restriction on cavalry attachments.

Oh pooh! It's the attachment restriction I think that's not right. We have it right for Spring 1813 as cavalry are optional not core troops with a zero minimum but for later in that year we need a different Cavalry Attachment line to that for Spring 1813 . Possibly " up to one per division if only the minimum of cavalry are purchased otherwise none"