Do I need Tigers ?

[McRoos]

Dear soldiers;

I have batlled my way into and out of Stalingrad, and now find myself somewhere in the spring of 1943.
Long have I been waiting for the Tiger to deploy and as I have some 20k prestige to spend, that is not so much of a problem.

But......

Do I really need 10 of them ?

[airbornemongo101]

You know the old saying.You never can have enough fire-power.

If you have the to prestige spend,get them. They will actually save you prestige in the long run (tougher units take less damage)

[McRoos]

Correct, but....

We know something that they didn't know.
The Panthers will also soon be available.. and they were good as well.

Isn't it better to not upgrade them all and choose to go for a couple of Panters ?

[MartyWard]

Correct, but....

We know something that they didn't know.
The Panthers will also soon be available.. and they were good as well.

Isn't it better to not upgrade them all and choose to go for a couple of Panters ?

I would look at your current force and try to picture how many Panthers and Tiger II's you want to end up with in 44-45. There is no upgrade 'discount' from a Tiger. Tigers can do ok then so having a few won't hurt but don't short yourself on the two biggies. You'll need them to take on the JS tanks.

[airbornemongo101]

The Panthers are awesome as well and have a great movement range.

If you have any armor that has extra movement heroes I would use definitely upgrade them for the Tiger-TigerII's

Just remember the Commie IS/JS series is waitng out there in the future and the only thing that can really stand toe-to-toe with them and come out on top is the Tiger/Tiger II series.

It really comes down to what kind of player you are. I myself am very methodical and recon alot and move my forces in a battle line,so to speak, so that my forces can rely on each other for support and not have a unit facing 5-6 attackes in a turn. My way of playing the Tiger series is beautifull,because I want the firepower instead of the "speed". I also don't trade in my captured equipment when it becomes obslolete. I upgrade it into German equipment,so I also have some Panther's to round out my core,for when I want some speed for a paricular scn.

It also depends on if you want an authentic core. With the DLC's I went for the toughest and meanest units I can buy. If for some reason I can't temporarily afford to upgrade a unit it will sit in my reserve until I can upgrade it. Then I will start using it again in my deployed core.

Now with SS-GTPG (a mod made by Nikivdd) I went with a historic core (w/ some fancifull exceptions such as heavy arty standarten and heavy armor standarten instead of abteiling's). The problem with a historic core is that while the PIV series is good and the Panther is great,they will take heavy casulties,thus using up more presitge.

What I personally recomend is save the game,then upgrade (or not) and play a little and see what most suits your style of game play. If you find that you don't like the path you've taken you can always go back.

It really boils down to personal choice. You can still win no matter how you decide to upgrade

That's what makes Panzer Corps such a great game.

[McRoos]

Well;

The game is great, no doubt about it.
I saved the deployment fases of all battles in the DLC, so I can always go back to the "init phase".

I also move my force teamwise.
While now on the defense, I quard my armor and grenadiers with arties and defend them with planes.
I have the reds attack and destroy them selves for a couple of turns and then rush to capture the victory hexes.
In most cases that works fine.

But, now, in a new phase of the war, I will find out what is the right tactics to win the battles.
Enjoy!!

[brettz123]

You are going to want Tigers for sure. It seems that the Tigers and Panthers seem to each be better against different targets (this is based off of trial and error not anything scientific). What I do is turn all my SE tanks into Tigers and anything with an Initiative hero or a movement hero. Right now a little over 1/3 of my tanks are Tigers and the rest are Panthers.

Both are useful though. The Tiger II is a beast of course. I would not at upgrade to Tiger then to Panther it is a waste of a lot of prestige.

[deducter]

Your question is do you "need" Tigers. You don't need them, but the more you have, the easier the game is. I think Tigers are balanced poorly for single player because they end up saving prestige instead of costing it.

If you get all Tigers, there are no tactics. Just move forward and kill everything without thinking. Maybe just artillery on the odd infantry in close terrain, that's it.

[Kerensky]

Do you need them? I finished DLC 1943 on Manstein, arguably the hardest unmodded difficulty of the game, and I didn't use a single Tiger tank. I do like those Panthers though, and I did pick up a few Elephants.

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So, do you NEED them? Clearly the answer is no. Should you use a few of them to test them out, and try more of them if you like them? Absolutely.

Also, there is no discount for upgrading Tiger I to Tiger II. So you pay the full 703 to upgrade to a Tiger I, and then the full 998 to upgrade to Tiger II. That's way too steep for me, I'm using a mix of Panthers and Panzer IVs and skipping the Tiger I completely, but I'll definitely switch to a Panther/Tiger II mix for late DLC 1944 and DLC 1945.


I'll tell you what you do need though. Try and pick up some of those sweet KV-85(r) tanks from DLC 1943.

[alex0809]

I always try to have a balanced force, so I would never use more than 2-3 Tigers. I even used my Panzer 38(t)s from 1939 DLC up until the end of 1942 DLC simply because I didn't lose them... in the end they went to the big tank factory in the sky though.
Anyway, I think it's more fun if you use a challenging "historical" core rather than just going for the best.

[Zhivago]

Your question is do you "need" Tigers. You don't need them, but the more you have, the easier the game is. I think Tigers are balanced poorly for single player because they end up saving prestige instead of costing it.

If you get all Tigers, there are no tactics. Just move forward and kill everything without thinking. Maybe just artillery on the odd infantry in close terrain, that's it.

For a more challenging, back-to-basics challenge in these scenarios with the use of pesky Tiger I's, perhaps someone could create catapults, infantry units armed with swords, daggers, and longbows. Maybe other infantry units could be equipped with breach-loading muskets and canons? Why bother with new-fangled military equipment, especially as the Reich was experiencing equipment and raw-material shortages by this time. This would really put the emphasis on tactics.

[McRoos]

Do you need them? I finished DLC 1943 on Manstein, arguably the hardest unmodded difficulty of the game, and I didn't use a single Tiger tank. I do like those Panthers though, and I did pick up a few Elephants.

viewtopic.php?f=145&t=33427

So, do you NEED them? Clearly the answer is no. Should you use a few of them to test them out, and try more of them if you like them? Absolutely.

Also, there is no discount for upgrading Tiger I to Tiger II. So you pay the full 703 to upgrade to a Tiger I, and then the full 998 to upgrade to Tiger II. That's way too steep for me, I'm using a mix of Panthers and Panzer IVs and skipping the Tiger I completely, but I'll definitely switch to a Panther/Tiger II mix for late DLC 1944 and DLC 1945.


I'll tell you what you do need though. Try and pick up some of those sweet KV-85(r) tanks from DLC 1943.

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That's impressive.....
I did capture two units. A Souma and a KV, but that's it.
How do I capture more units ?

[robman]

How do I capture more units ?

Capture as many enemy town hexes as you can. Every now and then, you will find a captured unit sitting next to one of them at the beginning of your next turn.

[ivanov]

One more thing about the Tigers in the game. In reality the Tiger was 2.5 more expensive than the Panzer IV and given the technical difficulties that the Germans were facing during the production process, the Tiger should cost about 1400-1500 prestige points. That would pretty much discourage people from building unrealistic, Tiger heavy cores.

[Linai]

wow so a maus is cheaper than a tiger I then
im glad you arent in charge of this game, damn

[McRoos]

One more thing about the Tigers in the game. In reality the Tiger was 2.5 more expensive than the Panzer IV and given the technical difficulties that the Germans were facing during the production process, the Tiger should cost about 1400-1500 prestige points. That would pretty much discourage people from building unrealistic, Tiger heavy cores.

I know about the mechanical imperfections of the tigers... but.. this is just a game.
I just played two scenario's with my 10 14 strength tigers.
It is just like shooting sitting ducks.....

So, I will switch to a higher level.

[shawkhan]

I think people need to practice some self-control if they want to keep the game challenging. The object of course is to have some fun here. If you want a simulation of the real war, then one has to adjust their forces to reflect historical reality. 1-2 Tigers would be about the max for an actual Panzer Corps. An even mix of Panthers and Panzer IVs for the rest of the armor. I am just saying this for the record, not actually practicing it myself, as I am simply not good enough to have acceptable casualties if I did. In my present incarnation, my core is 4 Tigers and 6 Panthers, no Panzer IVs need apply.

[4kEY]

During 43 East I had a 4-1/2 star PzIV get attacked head on in the clear by a 4 star KV-85 and take 9 casualties. I changed him into a Tiger soon after.

I agree with the historical core philosophy. Turky-shoots are only fun at Dunkirk.

[Zhivago]

During 43 East I had a 4-1/2 star PzIV get attacked head on in the clear by a 4 star KV-85 and take 9 casualties. I changed him into a Tiger soon after.

I agree with the historical core philosophy. Turky-shoots are only fun at Dunkirk.

When you start playing DLC 44, and you only have 20-25 slots available per game and are dealing with hordes of Russian IS-2 tanks, the "historical core" concept goes out the window pretty fast. If you do not have a Panther or a Tiger, or Tiger II, you are going to get your butt kicked.

[McRoos]

During 43 East I had a 4-1/2 star PzIV get attacked head on in the clear by a 4 star KV-85 and take 9 casualties. I changed him into a Tiger soon after.

I agree with the historical core philosophy. Turky-shoots are only fun at Dunkirk.

When you start playing DLC 44, and you only have 20-25 slots available per game and are dealing with hordes of Russian IS-2 tanks, the "historical core" concept goes out the window pretty fast. If you do not have a Panther or a Tiger, or Tiger II, you are going to get your butt kicked.

Well; If I read this well, we might ass well bent over then ! LOL!!
But to be serious..... the DLC 44 allows you only 20-25 units on the board !!!

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