Attached Commanders??

[Blathergut]

If I attach a commander to an infantry unit, does that mean:

-the unit never has to pay a command point to test on the CMT

or

-the unit's first CMT only is command points free? After that, the divisional commander would have to supply command points

I think it is the former but wanted to confirm.

[terrys]

If I attach a commander to an infantry unit, does that mean:

-the unit never has to pay a command point to test on the CMT
or
-the unit's first CMT only is command points free? After that, the divisional commander would have to supply command points

PG 45:
A unit of infantry or cavalry led by a commander of any type, and an artillery unit led by a brigade commander, does not require a Command Point for the first CMT taken in any phase. Additional CMTs are rolled for as normal except that they are passed on a 4+ instead of the normal 5+

So your 2nd option is the correct answer. (an attached brigade commander des not hav command points of his own).

[IanB3406]

Page 28 says a corps commander must spend one of his command points to lead an assault. Page 26 says he gets a free command as page 45. It would have made sense to have all the rules for corps commanders under the commander section. Now I am unsure of what he can do. If the corp commander leads a unit with no command points, does he get the free move if leading an assault? Or the unit can now no longer assault because the corp commander is with them? If they do move and are halted by fire, only yhe div commanders cp can be used?

[deadtorius]

Corps commanders have to pay to lead an assault, incentive to keep them out of fights. So even if he is with a unit he has to pay lead lead them in.

If they halt due to CMT the attached Corps commander can use any ADC points he has left for the CMT, or the division commander could use his if need be.

[terrys]

To put all the rules covering a Corps commander in one place:

Page 26: "A corps commander must expend one Command Point to move voluntarily.
Page 27: "If a crops commander is leading a unit it may freely turn or reform whilste otherwise remaining stationary. Any other move by the Cors commander will require the expenditure of a Command Point.
Page 28: "A corps commander must expend one of his own command points if he is to lead a unit into an assault.
Page 45 : "A Unit of infantry or cavslry led by a commander of any type, and an artillery unit led by a Brigare Commander, does not require a Command Point for the first CMT taken in any phase."
and
Page 45: " A Corps commander may have to expend a Command Point if his unit moves other than reforming with a unit.


So - If a Corps Commander moves he must pay a Command Point.
However - if he is moving with a unit, that unit doesn't pay a command point as well - if it would normally require one.

[IanB3406]

Thanks, is really helps.

[hazelbark]

One player tip to note.

I had been frequently attaching a commander to improve the odds of a move. but this halves the command range. Potentially making other units cost more to CMT.

Which reminds me of other Qs.
1) Does the the range count from where the commander is at the time a CMT is needed in the move? ie if I move beyond or move into range that changes the CP allocation needed?

2) Can the Corps commander be with a unit for the +1 for CMT (yes I believe) but if that unit moves (not formation change?) then it still costs a CMT?

[terrys]

1) Does the the range count from where the commander is at the time a CMT is needed in the move? ie if I move beyond or move into range that changes the CP allocation needed?

Page 46 - Last bullet point:
The postion of the unit before movement is used when checking if it is within the command range of its divisional commander. It does not re-measure if it makes a 2nd move.
The position of the commander cosidered at the time the unit tests. This is something to consider when moving a DC with a unit - with a reduced range of 4MU he may move out of range of other units that wish to make a complex move.

2) Can the Corps commander be with a unit for the +1 for CMT (yes I believe) but if that unit moves (not formation change?) then it still costs a CMT?

A CMT must still be taken, but a CP is only spent if the unit moves other than to make a formation change (see my earlier post).

[Philip]

One more rule for Corps Commanders, under Intercept Moves

page 32: "A unit led by a Corps Commander may also intercept, but only if he immediately expends all of his remaining Command Points."

I think that things would be pretty desperate for your CC to be doing intercepts!

[IanB3406]

Page 43, a brigade commander provides one free command point for the unit he is with.
Page 45, no command point is required for the first cmt taken for the unit they are with.

So....brigade commanders have two CMTs available? Seems to make thema good deal.

[IanB3406]

I can see from Terry's reply that earlier in the thread that brigade commanders do not have a command point, so I assume page 43 is a typo......hmmmmm, This may be the case I will need to mark up my rules. Hurry up errata.

[terrys]

Page 43, a brigade commander provides one free command point for the unit he is with.
Page 45, no command point is required for the first cmt taken for the unit they are with.

The BC does not in fact have a CP. We were trying to explain that he could provide a CP for his own unit, however, page 45 invalidates the statement on page 43.
You basically get one 'free' CMT and any additional test requires a CP spent by his DC.

[AlanCutner]

Page 18. A commander can only join one unit. But counts as leading any unit his base is in edge contact with. Is joining and leading the same thing or different? It appears he can lead several units at the same time.

[terrys]

Leading and Joining are slightly different.

A commander with a single unit can be considered to have joined it, and will also be leading it. There is no difference in this instance.

The only difference comes with a brigade group. All units in the brigade group are considered to have the commander "leading" them (for CMT purposes), but he is only allowed to "join" one of them.

[AlanCutner]

Not quite the answer I expected.

If a commander is leading all units in his brigade group he's not necessarily in contact with all of them - but OK and makes sense. But page 18 says he's also leading any unit he's in edge contact with. Those may not all be in a brigade group with him.

The reason I ask is that a charismatic commander lends his bonus to all units he is leading.

[terrys]

If a commander is leading all units in his brigade group he's not necessarily in contact with all of them - but OK and makes sense. But page 18 says he's also leading any unit he's in edge contact with. Those may not all be in a brigade group with him.

The reason I ask is that a charismatic commander lends his bonus to all units he is leading.

The sentence following the one you quote on page 18 states:
"If it is contacting 2 or more units the player must state which unit he has joined."
Basically - he can only join one unit at a time.

The rules also state:
"Charismatic commander with unit" +1 dice
"Cavalry and infantry (not artillery) gain an additional dice"

Now if the entry had said "with unit or brigade group" you'd have a case.

[AlanCutner]

"If it is contacting 2 or more units the player must state which unit he has joined."

Its this sentence that led me to wonder if there was a difference between 'joining' and 'leading', ie. could join just one, but lead many. Your explanation means the two DO mean the same thing, except when leading a brigade group.

But happy with your intent.