unit organization

[deadtorius]

Hoping I have my head wrapped around this one as I am trying to use my very old (15 to 20 years ago) 20mm Napoleonics for the old WRG rules in this new set.

1 stand of infantry represents 1 battalion, 2 stands equals a regiment, 1st and 2nd battalion I am guessing.
4 stands of infantry is a brigade (2 regiments)
2 brigades makes a division, but a division can have more than 2 brigades (this is in regards to points based games) any maximum on how many brigades in a division.
2 divisions minimum makes a corps, which could have more than 2 divisions but I doubt I have that many figures.

Thanks for helping me out on this one.

[Blathergut]

Or is a 4-6 base unit considered a regiment? And two or three of these make a division?

[deadtorius]

Think I messed up the brigade...
Should be 4 units is a brigade and then on and so forth. So 4 Regiments is a brigade.

looks like I can make up a corps with most of my stuff, just not enough Saxons for a full corps and the confederation troops only have about 4 regts of infantry so a brigade of them too.

[terrys]

With a figure scale of 1:55, a base of 8 figures of infantry = 440men, and 3 figures of cavalry = 165 men.
(Skirmisher bases of less figures is for purely identification purposes, so that you or your opponent don't forget about that units imcreased skirmisher ability)

A small infantry unit of 4 stands = 1760 men, which is about the size of a 3 battalion regiment in the field (for most armies).
A large infantry unit of 6 stands = 2640 men which, in lists, is usually used to represent 2 understrength regiments.

[MikeHorah]

The thing to bear in mind is we started from the idea that in most armies at this time there were 2 or more infantry battalions in a regiment ( 3 is not unusual eg French demi brigades - think of the order mixed) and that on the field of battle a regiment would usually operate together if it had more than one of its constituent Btns present. On the field of battle a regiment so constructed was therefore a tactical unit and training would include regimental manouevres with the battalions' officers learning how to work together. In 1813 French Marshals complained that there was not time to train the many newly raised regiments in these manouvres and that their offcers did not know how to conduct them which shows that this was considered the " normal" mode.

In armies where that was not the case a small brigade of 2 or more Btns from different regiments is the equivalent . It also works for things like combined grenadiers .

In the Bitish army having more than one Btn of a regiment present in an army ( as in 1/7th and 2/7th) was comparatively rare - I have found it to have been more common in the 1790's than later. That is apart from the Guards and the rifle regiments ( the latter operated as detached specialist Lt inf companies anyway for the most part). But British Brigades especially under Wellington were about the size of a continental regiment.

A brigade as a command formation, as such, is a more variable thing. It would usually have 2 or more regiments. A Prussian " brigade from 1813 was 7-9 Btns.

On page 114-116 you will find an explanation of our reasoning .

Modelling a Corps with Btns is much more demanding in terms of the numbers of figures needed. the table size ( for 25mm) , and the number of
separate units to manage . (I should know I have been using Grand Manner for years!)

We wanted the command of a Corps d'armee to be the standard game . It that was one of the most important operational innovations of the period.

[deadtorius]

Tried a first shot at an Austrian list, managed to get 3 divisions if I did this right.
First one has 3 infantry units and artillery, second is mixed with 2 infantry units and 2 cav units and artillery, 3rd one has 3 infantry units again.

The minimum for a division is 2 units, 8 bases minimum, I am guessing by looking at things or is am I not getting it quite correct yet?

[Blathergut]

Hopefully that cost more than the 600pts!!! Oiii!! My 1813 French might get 4 inf. units plus arty and such!!!!

[deadtorius]

4 bases = a small unit so 8 bases would be 2 small units

Well I did manage to get 8 infantry units and some cav in the end though Mostly small but 1 large infantry unit waiting to meet you tomorrow

[randynovotny]

I just got my rules Thursday and have read them twice. I am very disappointed that the units represent regiments not battalions. They remind me too much of Napoleons Battles, Which I don't like. Too abstract! I will probably end up selling my copy.

[david53]

I just got my rules Thursday and have read them twice. I am very disappointed that the units represent regiments not battalions. They remind me too much of Napoleons Battles, Which I don't like. Too abstract! I will probably end up selling my copy.

Not played Napoleons Battles but just give them a try out playing the game is a better idea, just a thought I've only played two small games but I think they will be good when i get my head round the rules.

dave

[Blathergut]

I just got my rules Thursday and have read them twice. I am very disappointed that the units represent regiments not battalions. They remind me too much of Napoleons Battles, Which I don't like. Too abstract! I will probably end up selling my copy.

We had our first game today and the rules played out very nicely. You seemed to need to work in divisions as opposed to regiments, esp. large inf. forces.

[hazelbark]

The problem with battalion level games is you are hard pressed to have a real large scale battle.

This rule set may have the abilty to have an experienced player run two corps. And then with 4 people you can have quite a few real napoleonic actions.
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[deadtorius]

Still wondering is there a minimum and maximum number of units you can have in a division? I would assume 2 units minimum.

[CLAVDIVS]

Look at page 17

A Infantry Division: it MUST contain at least 3 units

A Cavalry Division: It MUST contain at least 2 units

A Mixed Division: MUST contain at least 2 Infantry units & 1 Cavalry unit, but no more then 4 of either.


Hope that helps you mate

[deadtorius]

Thanks for pointing that one out, must have missed that page.