DLC 42 Feedback

[brettz123]

Agree with a lot of things here. So far this is much more enjoyable than DLC '41 and I'm only just beginning Nonoanninsky. Sevastopol Assault on FM was absolutely brutal and chewed up my core forces really bad. The relentless soviet forces really grind you down, thank god Voronzeh was a breeze I needed badly to recover I still have nightmares playing the Stalingrad campaign in SPWAW fighting endless soviet infantry building to building after spending several scenarios just getting to Stalingrad. Can't wait to get there in this game.

Ohhhh don't worry you won't be let down by Stalingrad. Imagine a couple of maps with pretty much all city with lots of SMG Infnatry (you will love these guys).

[Arcticthunder]

Ugh omg Storming Stalingrad was brutal This was the first time I couldn't get a DV on FM in any of the DLC content so far. No way I wanted to play that one over again just to get a DV..just too mind numbing. In one way I was looking forward to it but now as I look at Stalingrad Docks and more meat grinding I'm loosing a bit of excitement for the game.

[brettz123]

Ugh omg Storming Stalingrad was brutal This was the first time I couldn't get a DV on FM in any of the DLC content so far. No way I wanted to play that one over again just to get a DV..just too mind numbing. In one way I was looking forward to it but now as I look at Stalingrad Docks and more meat grinding I'm loosing a bit of excitement for the game.

Yeah those two scenarios are not really that much fun for me either. But once you get them done they are finished . They really are a slog and you feel it when you are playing. Only two scenarios though. You may want to play again though so that you get a DV in order to go to Tatsinskaya (probably the hardest scenario I have played in the DLC).

[Arcticthunder]

You may want to play again though so that you get a DV in order to go to Tatsinskaya (probably the hardest scenario I have played in the DLC).

I don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad do I? I thought just a DV at Stalingrad Docks was needed to proceed to Tatsinskaya? So far it looks doable, just tiring

[brettz123]

You may want to play again though so that you get a DV in order to go to Tatsinskaya (probably the hardest scenario I have played in the DLC).

I don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad do I? I thought just a DV at Stalingrad Docks was needed to proceed to Tatsinskaya? So far it looks doable, just tiring

Not sure to be honest.

[Arcticthunder]

You may want to play again though so that you get a DV in order to go to Tatsinskaya (probably the hardest scenario I have played in the DLC).

I don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad do I? I thought just a DV at Stalingrad Docks was needed to proceed to Tatsinskaya? So far it looks doable, just tiring

Not sure to be honest.

Ok, so it turns out you don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad. I got a DV in Stalingrad Docks which lead to Escape from Stalingrad and now I'm on Tatsinskaya. So all is good Sucks seeing an aux Tiger I on the map and yet I can't upgrade to one lol.

[Tarrak]

Ok, so it turns out you don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad. I got a DV in Stalingrad Docks which lead to Escape from Stalingrad and now I'm on Tatsinskaya. So all is good Sucks seeing an aux Tiger I on the map and yet I can't upgrade to one lol.

You can consider them prototypes being tested in combat by certain chosen units before they become available for everyone. It's the same with the Panzer III L in the Vitebsk scenario. You get a few elite of them as auxiliary units but you can't actually buy them until Sevastopol if memory serves right.

[brettz123]

Ok, so it turns out you don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad. I got a DV in Stalingrad Docks which lead to Escape from Stalingrad and now I'm on Tatsinskaya. So all is good Sucks seeing an aux Tiger I on the map and yet I can't upgrade to one lol.

You can consider them prototypes being tested in combat by certain chosen units before they become available for everyone. It's the same with the Panzer III L in the Vitebsk scenario. You get a few elite of them as auxiliary units but you can't actually buy them until Sevastopol if memory serves right.

You can get them half way through the scenario. A little bit of a tease that one.

[Tarrak]

Ok, so it turns out you don't need a DV in Storming Stalingrad. I got a DV in Stalingrad Docks which lead to Escape from Stalingrad and now I'm on Tatsinskaya. So all is good Sucks seeing an aux Tiger I on the map and yet I can't upgrade to one lol.

You can consider them prototypes being tested in combat by certain chosen units before they become available for everyone. It's the same with the Panzer III L in the Vitebsk scenario. You get a few elite of them as auxiliary units but you can't actually buy them until Sevastopol if memory serves right.

You can get them half way through the scenario. A little bit of a tease that one.

You mean the Tiger half way into the Tatsinskaya scenario, the III L halfway into the Vitebsk or the III L half way into Sevastopol?

[brettz123]

Tiger on turn 11 of the Tatsinskaya scenario.

[Tarrak]

Tiger on turn 11 of the Tatsinskaya scenario.

Ah okay. I was afraid for a second my memory is totally failing me.

[brettz123]

Nope you didn't miss anything. I actually didn't bother upgrading any of my tanks to Tigers until the start of DLC 43. Would have been nice to get them during the entire Tatsinskaya scenario but then the scenario would have been very easy instead of pretty intense for a few turns. Really enjoyed that one.

[dragos]

Ugh omg Storming Stalingrad was brutal This was the first time I couldn't get a DV on FM in any of the DLC content so far. No way I wanted to play that one over again just to get a DV..just too mind numbing. In one way I was looking forward to it but now as I look at Stalingrad Docks and more meat grinding I'm loosing a bit of excitement for the game.

I'm curious, did you get DV on Streets of Moscow? I didn't reach Stalingrad yet, and Moscow was the only one I couldn't get a DV so far. I was wandering if Storming Stalingrad is more difficult than Streets of Moscow.

[brettz123]

Ugh omg Storming Stalingrad was brutal This was the first time I couldn't get a DV on FM in any of the DLC content so far. No way I wanted to play that one over again just to get a DV..just too mind numbing. In one way I was looking forward to it but now as I look at Stalingrad Docks and more meat grinding I'm loosing a bit of excitement for the game.

I'm curious, did you get DV on Streets of Moscow? I didn't reach Stalingrad yet, and Moscow was the only one I couldn't get a DV so far. I was wandering if Storming Stalingrad is more difficult than Streets of Moscow.

I found Storming Stalingrad to be Harder but the are both a little bit of a grind.

[levince55]

Hi. I'm a huge fan of Panzer corps but I'm rather disappointed with the stalingrad scenarios. What are italian units doing IN the city ?!! Historically, they were around the stalingrad area, they never took part in the urban battle. Can the developpers explain their choice ?

[Kerensky]

That was addressed earlier in this thread.

Of all the Axis Minor Nations, only the Italians have a decent roster of equipment though. They have tanks, anti-tank, self propelled artillery, fighters, and bombers.
Romanians and Hungarians have none of these (unless they borrow some captured equipment or something), so we went with Italians.

[dragos]

But why aren't any Romanian troops in Sevastopol scenarios? They played a major role in that battle and it's quite brutal, so a bunch of auxiliary troops would have been welcome.

[Tarrak]

But why aren't any Romanian troops in Sevastopol scenarios? They played a major role in that battle and it's quite brutal, so a bunch of auxiliary troops would have been welcome.

Sevastopol being pretty brutal? Hmm i do not consider myself a very good player, i think am average at best, and i did not have even a slight problem winning a DV even in the assault on Sevastopol scenario on FM difficulty level. My only real losses was a SE infantry which was a mixture of bad luck (an artillery scoring 6 kills and suppressing the survivors totally) and a slight mistake of totally cutting of it's retreats way) and a recon which i don't really count as units more as consumables.

[Arcticthunder]

Finally finished with DLC'42. Geeze Tatsinskaya was freaking nasty but I got a DV with a turn to spare. Around turn 18 I was finally starting to feel the tide turn and was about to capture the last two cities when the AI unleashed a fury of last minute KVs and T34/43 on me in the middle area with all the flags and airstrips! I really hate those freaking tanks, especially the T34/43. After a few turns of grinding and taking a lot of damage I grabbed the last flag and wasn't sure if I could hold on one more round of a beating. As I clicked the End Turn button I then immediately saw the Decisive Victory message and that's when I realized my turn was the one that ended the round.. whoohooo! However I got torn up badly so when I started Kharkov '43 and after elite replacements and over strength and spending 703 pts on just one Tiger upgrade I had just 1k prestige. Ouch! The cool thing is the upgrade was one hero who has +2 and +3 defense so he's a freaking beast in that Tiger! Literally laughing at the KVs and T34s trying to scratch the fresh coat of paint

Overall I enjoyed DLC'42 with the exception of the city heavy scenarios, namely Storming Stalingrad and Stalingrad Docks. I know the game was trying to recreate feeling of helplessness the germans faced against the endless russians in the city of Stalingrad but heavy city fighting just doesn't go well with this game. It's a huge and depressing slugfest with limited areas to place your tanks to avoid the CD penalty especially in Storming Stalingrad. I had 7 infantry but it never seemed like enough. SPWAW excels in city fighting because the game is more finely detailed toward infantry and setting up MG & AT nests, snipers, proper recon, infantry guns and infantry AT rifles and mortar bombardment and getting your guys away from wooden buildings. Since this game is a more macro level view of combat I find city fighting quite annoying.

However, I'm liking Kharkov '43 a lot so far!

[4kEY]

Backup your tanks with rocket artillery + be careful + recon. Slow and methodical.