Errors in Army List

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Don

I know the rule book says that Austrians are reformed, but I think this is a typo, and it is supposed to read 'move as reformed, shoot as unreformed'. Is this correct?

Cheers
Brett[/quote]

Yes that is a mistake. We had experimented with the idea of making Austrians the reverse of the Brits as you say 'move as reformed, shoot as unreformed' but decided that did not work and reverted to treating them as unreformed. Somehow this error (which was the wrong wording ayway!) went unspotted in the proof read of the sample lists we put into the rulebook. It is corrected in the main list books. Where there is a difference between a list in the rulebook and an equivalent list in a list book, the latter should be treated as the definitive version.[/quote]


But did the austrians not assault in columns ? if so they should move reformed or am I missing something ( still reading the rules )

[stecal]

They probably were using columns or closed columns, but unreformed reflects the well known sluggishness in Austrian maneuver and the rather geriatic officer corps.

I seem to recall an anecdote from 1809 that apparently whenever Ezerhog Karl was not nearby the Austrian commanders reverted back to the old linear order they were so familiar with. In both 1805 & 1809 the Austrian army was tossed into a war mid-way in an army reorganization, in 1813 they were rebuilding an army after the severe cutbacks demanded by Napoleon after the 1809 defeat.

[CLAVDIVS]

Hi All,
Just a quick one page 132 Prussian Army Corp 1813, Optional units Guard Cuirassiers @ 17 pts per base should this be 20 pts per base as the unit is Heavy Cavalry,Average, Veteran13 pts +Guard 4 pts +Shock 3 pts = 20pts per base.

[Sarmaticus]

They probably were using columns or closed columns, but unreformed reflects the well known sluggishness in Austrian maneuver and the rather geriatic officer corps.

I seem to recall an anecdote from 1809 that apparently whenever Ezerhog Karl was not nearby the Austrian commanders reverted back to the old linear order they were so familiar with. In both 1805 & 1809 the Austrian army was tossed into a war mid-way in an army reorganization, in 1813 they were rebuilding an army after the severe cutbacks demanded by Napoleon after the 1809 defeat.

I don't think their officer corps could have been much more geriatric than the Prussian and the latter also built up their 1813 army in haste. Austrian sluggishness seems IMHO (FWIW) to have been strategic and tied to their diplomatic position: having been the workhorses and stooges of the early coalitions, they tended to let their allies take some of the strain and realised that their state rested on the Army on not much more - so they couldn't afford to lose it.

[terrys]

But did the austrians not assault in columns ? if so they should move reformed or am I missing something ( still reading the rules )

The 'reformed/unreformed' debate will be an interesting one to follow.
The decision on who is and who is not reformed is one of doctrine, heavily modified by whether or not they had skirmisher companies as part of the standard formation.
Austrians may well have assaulted in column, but giving them a 6MU move does not accurately reflect their sluggishness when it came actual maneouvres on the battlefield. As we've already said, we did try to make them move as reformed and fire as unreformed, but it just didn't give the right 'feel'.

[Astronomican]

And by the way : no French Lancers ?

French lancers in 1812 are covered in the Triumph of the Nations list book in the French Cavalry Reserve Corps list for 1812 and single Division from that list may be employed with the French Infantry Corps D’armee 1812 list- our point being that French lancers were not a normal Infantry Corps attached formation. So you can get French Lancers in 1812 that way.

Lancers in the "French" Corps as follows:-
I Corps ("French") - 1st Light Cavalry Brigade - 9th Polish Lancers
II Corps ("French") - 6th Light Cavalry Brigade - 8th French Lancers
III Corps ("French") - 9th Light Cavalry Brigade - 6th french Lancers

The Polish Lancers are allowed in the 1812 army list yet French Lancers are omitted - French Lancers WERE "a normal Infantry Corps attached formation" for 2 of the 3 "French" Corps in the 1812 army.


Jimi

[Chasseur]

Hi Terry,

Yes that is a mistake. We had experimented with the idea of making Austrians the reverse of the Brits as you say 'move as reformed, shoot as unreformed' but decided that did not work and reverted to treating them as unreformed. Somehow this error (which was the wrong wording ayway!) went unspotted in the proof read of the sample lists we put into the rulebook. It is corrected in the main list books. Where there is a difference between a list in the rulebook and an equivalent list in a list book, the latter should be treated as the definitive version.

Just to make it really clear - are you saying that Austrians should fire and fight as unreformed and are paid for as unreformed?

Cheers,
John Shaw