Errors in Army List

[ulysisgrunt]

The French list on page 131 has editing erros inb the "attachments" section.
Danny Weitz

[jdm]

Danny if you can specifically identify any errors you find it will be extremely helpful
Best wishes
JDM

[stecal]

pg 45 & playsheets in the back of the book: Movement phase CMTs - under "artillery only - unlimber" the line is blank for steady/disordered. I assume it is simple?

[ulysisgrunt]

Page 131 error:
Points per base listed as one for all attachments.
Proper points listd under "Special Capabilities", which should be one column over to the left.
Danny Weitz

[BrettPT]

I'm not sure if it counts as an 'error', but I notice that 1813 Austrians move as unreformed and shoot as reformed - same as Brits.

except ... the Brits are costed as reformed, the Austrians as unreformed at 2 points a base cheaper. I can picture the Anglo-philes choaking on their tea as I type!

Effectively this gives every Austrian infantry unit a free skirmisher attachment.

I assume that the book has it the wrong way around and 1813 Austrians are supposed to move as reformed but shoot as unreformed?

Cheers
Brett

[terrys]

As soon as my copy arrives I'll check the army lists for errors and post back.

[ulysisgrunt]

The Index has numerous terms either out of alphabetic order or not in proper lead column, that is indented into a sub heading.
Danny Weitz

[hazelbark]

The Index has numerous terms either out of alphabetic order or not in proper lead column, that is indented into a sub heading.
Danny Weitz

Well the index is clearly a place holder for when the real one arrives.

[bahdahbum]

The russian Uhlans have no lancer capability . is it intentionnal or an ommission ? ( if intentionnal, funny when you know that Napoleon introduced lancers after having fought the russians and their Uhlans )

And by the way : no French Lancers ?

[nickdives]

I thought is was the Austrian Uhlans in 1809 who influenced Boney, oh look no Austrian Lancers in the 1813 list, they were about then. No problems just give a light Cav unit lancer capability, unless in a nail biting competition when you better wait for any official words of wisdom!

[terrys]

It appears that there are some errors in the lists, and I will post corrections as soon as I see then. Unfortunately my rulebook hasn't arrived so Ican't check what the final version looks like. I'm told that it's in the post......
As far as 'missing' unit types go - These lists are 'generic' lists specifically designed so that players can try out the rules without having to buy the army list books. The first of which will not be outf or about 3 months. The lists in the forthcoming books will replace the ones in the rules, so don't worry, there is a much more comprehensive covering of each army on the way.
We simply didn't have enough time or space to allow for every eventuality in a single list for each of the Nations. The list books will have, for example, seperate lists for a French infantry corps, a french cavalry corps and the guard corps during the periods when each existed. Each of them will normally be able to take and 'attached' division from one or more of the others. So you could field a French infantry Corps with a division of guard cavalry or infantry in support.

[bahdahbum]

I thought is was the Austrian Uhlans in 1809 who influenced Boney, oh look no Austrian Lancers in the 1813 list, they were about then. No problems just give a light Cav unit lancer capability, unless in a nail biting competition when you better wait for any official words of wisdom!

Napoleon introduced the lancers after the 1806-07 campaign . He found russian uhlans effective enough to convert some "chasseurs à cheval" to lancers . Frommemory they will be really efective in 1811 (if I remember well )

[hazelbark]

Napoleon introduced the lancers after the 1806-07 campaign . He found russian uhlans effective enough to convert some "chasseurs à cheval" to lancers . Frommemory they will be really efective in 1811 (if I remember well )

Did he convert Chasseurs or Dragoons? I think practically most of his uhlans in 12-13 were Polish.

[MikeHorah]

The russian Uhlans have no lancer capability . is it intentionnal or an ommission ? ( if intentionnal, funny when you know that Napoleon introduced lancers after having fought the russians and their Uhlans )

And by the way : no French Lancers ?

The Russian Corps Army of the West 1812 list line for Uhlans should of course have lances printed in the special capabilities box a straight error of omission– they are paid for as lancers in the points per base column. This has been corrected in the main list book Triumph of the Nations.

French lancers in 1812 are covered in the Triumph of the Nations list book in the French Cavalry Reserve Corps list for 1812 and single Division from that list may be employed with the French Infantry Corps D’armee 1812 list- our point being that French lancers were not a normal Infantry Corps attached formation. So you can get French Lancers in 1812 that way.

Austrian Lancers in 1813 are in the Austrian Army of Northern Italy 1814-1814 list in Triumph of the Nations . They were very rare in Germany in that campaign. Even in 1809 there were only 3 regiments of Uhlans in the whole Austrian army , less than 10% of the total number of cavalry regiments (Rothenberg ). It should not have taken the Austrians in 1809 to impress Napoleon re lancers as he already had the Poles by then including lancers in the Guard.

[bahdahbum]

Napoleon introduced the lancers after the 1806-07 campaign . He found russian uhlans effective enough to convert some "chasseurs à cheval" to lancers . Frommemory they will be really efective in 1811 (if I remember well )

Did he convert Chasseurs or Dragoons? I think practically most of his uhlans in 12-13 were Polish.

I will have a look and answer this evening

[donm]

Prussians 1813.

Little surprised to see no light infantry within the list, when the Austria list of the same date has at least two units?

I was under the impression that the Austrian were the not very good at skirmishing.

Don

[BrettPT]

Prussians 1813.

Little surprised to see no light infantry within the list, when the Austria list of the same date has at least two units?

I was under the impression that the Austrian were the not very good at skirmishing.

Don

I quite like this. I'm no expert on the army, but from memory the Prussians didn't have light regiments, rather Prussian regiments drew their skirmishers mainly from the integral fusileer battalion in each line regiment. The fusileers give Prussian line regiments the ability to shoot at medium (skirmish) range. Kendall, the Prussian player in our playtest group, was adamant that Prusisan fusileers should not be separate LI units.

The Austrian light formations on the other hand were regiments (at least for the Grenz - Jaeger less so). So they get LI units, but Austrian line is 'unreformed' ie cannot shoot at medium range.

I know the rule book says that Austrians are reformed, but I think this is a typo, and it is supposed to read 'move as reformed, shoot as unreformed'. Is this correct?

Cheers
Brett

[MikeHorah]

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Don[/quote]

I know the rule book says that Austrians are reformed, but I think this is a typo, and it is supposed to read 'move as reformed, shoot as unreformed'. Is this correct?

Cheers
Brett[/quote]

Yes that is a mistake. We had experimented with the idea of making Austrians the reverse of the Brits as you say 'move as reformed, shoot as unreformed' but decided that did not work and reverted to treating them as unreformed. Somehow this error (which was the wrong wording ayway!) went unspotted in the proof read of the sample lists we put into the rulebook. It is corrected in the main list books. Where there is a difference between a list in the rulebook and an equivalent list in a list book, the latter should be treated as the definitive version.

[stecal]

Sacile 1809 Austrian List
first infantry unit is listed as veteran & drilled

[bahdahbum]

Napoleon introduced the lancers after the 1806-07 campaign . He found russian uhlans effective enough to convert some "chasseurs à cheval" to lancers . Frommemory they will be really efective in 1811 (if I remember well )

Did he convert Chasseurs or Dragoons? I think practically most of his uhlans in 12-13 were Polish.

In 1811 Bonattrappe ( Boney ) decided to convert 6 regiments of dragoons to lancers . it was done for the russian campaing . 2 regiments were formed from the Polish Vistula lancers ( they served in spain and where not in the polish army same goes for the whole vistula legion who never served under polish command ) and the last regiment was formed from german lancers ( Berg )