Rear vs Flank Charge

bbotus · Post by **bbotus** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:46 am

OK guys. Where in the rules do they define the difference between a rear and a flank charge? If you can't give me a definition of the difference, then who decides if it is a rear or a flank charge. It will make a difference in conforming and figuring overlaps in melee.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:16 am

I would assume if it hits a rear edge its a rear charge, a side edge then its a flank charge. The only conform problem would be a rear corner. But then it would just conform to shortest move as required.

bbotus · Post by **bbotus** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:24 am

Good point, so the conform would be rear or flank depending on the minimum move to conform (page 70). Thanks, I missed that.

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:09 pm

While on the topic of a rear corner.
Would a charge that contacts the rear corner be allowed to wheel within 1MU can count for Disruption ans ++ POA's??

If it counts as the rear then YES
If it counts as the flank then NO

Gino
SMAC

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:53 pm

Yes, charges that contact the rear can wheel within 1 MU, .............. providing you do not contact the flank at the same time

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:59 pm

But does the rear corner count as flank or rear?

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:03 am

It is a rear corner not a flank corner.

But?

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:06 am

When is a rear corner not also a flank corner?

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:11 am

Because the rules do not mention flank corners. So flank corners do not exist

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:23 am

There are only Front corners, if you hit them you hit the front and rear corners, you hit the rear.

Perhaps another hole in the rules because Cav can wheel quite a bit. But this should be cured in V2 with the constriction on wheeling

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:57 am

philqw78 wrote:There are only Front corners, if you hit them you hit the front and rear corners, you hit the rear.

Perhaps another hole in the rules because Cav can wheel quite a bit. But this should be cured in V2 with the constriction on wheeling

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bbotus · Post by **bbotus** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:07 am

Phil, your original post in this thread was:

The only conform problem would be a rear corner. But then it would just conform to shortest move as required.

A cav unit starting in the flank within 1 mu could wheel to contact the rear corner. If someone called it a valid rear charge, I'd get him the cheese hat to wear. But I do agree with your post:

Perhaps another hole in the rules because Cav can wheel quite a bit. But this should be cured in V2 with the constriction on wheeling

I'm going with the move that takes the shortest distance to conform to determine flank or rear until they come up with something better.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:19 pm

It makes no difference after contact if the charge is flank or rear. The only difference is the limitations on contacting flank which should be sorted in the impact phase. So shortest move is probably best. But then flank corners are not mentioned, so they must contact a rear corner. So????????? An umpire thing if you wanted to argue about it.

grahambriggs · Post by **grahambriggs** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:33 pm

kal5056 wrote:But does the rear corner count as flank or rear?

It counts as flank. The rules are clear: first contact on front edge or rear corner is a flank charge, rear edge is a rear charge.

In terms of turning to face the enemy, then if you are hit on a rear corner you often have to turn to the rear (unless the base happens to be as deep as it is wide) as the enemy base prevent a 90 degree turn.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:04 pm

grahambriggs wrote:It counts as flank. The rules are clear: first contact on front edge or rear corner is a flank charge, rear edge is a rear charge.
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That's not very clear Graham. Where does it say this?
Also counts as flank but turn to rear?

grahambriggs · Post by **grahambriggs** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:17 pm

philqw78 wrote:
grahambriggs wrote:It counts as flank. The rules are clear: first contact on front edge or rear corner is a flank charge, rear edge is a rear charge.
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That's not very clear Graham. Where does it say this?
Also counts as flank but turn to rear?

Impact section, Charging a Flank or Rear, bullets 2 and 3:

"For a charge to qualify as a flank charge both of the following must apply:
o The first part of the enemy battle group contacted must be the side edge or rear corner of one of its bases.
o The charge cannot include a wheel unless the charging battle group starts its move with its nearest point at least 1 MU away from the battle group being charged.

For a charge to qualify as a rear charge, the first part of the enemy battle group contacted must be the rear edge of one of its bases."

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:08 pm

But that isn't what it says Graham.

grahambriggs · Post by **grahambriggs** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:17 pm

Hmm. That's interesting. I'm going off a beta version but with all the changes from v1 marked up. Perhaps all the changes aren't marked. I'll check the v1 tonight.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:18 pm

philqw78 wrote:But that isn't what it says Graham.

Phil did you go and buy a new set of rules? Or did you find the copy you lost at the bottom of the laundry basket?

bbotus · Post by **bbotus** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:29 am

Ahhh! But he has a rule set now. I seem to remember that RBS volunteered to buy him a set of rules back in 2008