Lurkio - New Huns - first look at greens

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:42 am

Hi,

here are the Huns that are being lined up for a Christmas release. Please comment (constructive if at all possible) on the greens, while there is still time for modification

thanks

Simon

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:56 am

I would have expected sturdy ponies. These horses are a bit too gracile for my taste. And I don't like the waist of the riders. Seems as the join does not really fit all the time.

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:59 am

And I don't like the waist of the riders. Seems as the join does not really fit all the time.

they are only blue tacked at the moment , as they will come separate to mix and match

Strategos69 · Post by **Strategos69** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:08 pm

I like the riders but I share Mehrunes vew: in general I prefer more robust horses.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:11 pm

I believe the horses are the same as those for the currently available Hun horse archers. I've recently acquired and painted up a BG of these and I quite liked the horses, which are amongst my favorites across many manufacturers, ranges and periods.

Also, the waist "issue" noted above isn't really an issue once the torsos are glued to the bottom half of the rider. You might need use some fill but the ability to rotate the torso for different poses is a definite advantage. Also, the bottom half of the rider cast as one piece with the horse makes a better fit and overall appearance than when the whole rider is separate from the horse.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:13 pm

Forgot to add. They look great and I'm sure their compatriots will be clamouring for some BG to join them after they leave Ostrogothic service.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:26 pm

Is the plan to release these before, after or concurrent with the Byzantines????

Just trying to give a heads up to the army procurement people here.

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:51 pm

Is the plan to release these before, after or concurrent with the Byzantines????

No , separate release.

Byzantines go on sale ... 24-29th October

Huns ... slightly more vague. Hopefully 2nd week November , just in time for Christmas shopping. Should be release are Warfare (in Reading)

Busy time at the mo!

zoltan · Post by **zoltan** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:04 pm

I've just received some Khurasan Huns which I'm starting to paint up and they also have slender horses. I agree with the comments about the ideally having more sturdy ponies but countering that is the difficulty fitting 3 figures on a 15mm base in positions other than nice even ranks (which looks naf for swirling horse archers).

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:15 pm

list_lurker wrote:
Is the plan to release these before, after or concurrent with the Byzantines????
No , separate release.

Byzantines go on sale ... 24-29th October

Huns ... slightly more vague. Hopefully 2nd week November , just in time for Christmas shopping. Should be release are Warfare (in Reading)

Busy time at the mo!

Thx. Eagerly anticipating.

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Did the Huns use a quiver or bow case on their back or did they use them attached to the saddle/horse or on the belt? The quiver worn over the shoulder doesn't look quite right to my eye but it's not a period where I'm highly knowledgeable so I defer to those with greater expertise.

Chris

zoltan · Post by **zoltan** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:10 pm

batesmotel wrote:Did the Huns use a quiver or bow case on their back or did they use them attached to the saddle/horse or on the belt? The quiver worn over the shoulder doesn't look quite right to my eye but it's not a period where I'm highly knowledgeable so I defer to those with greater expertise.

Chris

Check out the line drawings in Huns-Magyars by Kertai Zalán (many of which have more than a nod to the Uruk Hai of Mordor!). Some wag has put most of the pages on YouTube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3CDTN9q0lw. Flick past the allegorical mumbo jumbo to the latter third. All but one of the pictures show the quiver and bow case attached to the belt. One picture appears to show the quiver attached to the back (but its obscured).

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:30 am

batesmotel wrote:Did the Huns use a quiver or bow case on their back or did they use them attached to the saddle/horse or on the belt? The quiver worn over the shoulder doesn't look quite right to my eye but it's not a period where I'm highly knowledgeable so I defer to those with greater expertise.

Chris

Ergonomically highly doubtful you'd have a quiver on your back - much more efficient to hang it from your waist.

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:33 am

I'll try to get the bowcases made separate, thus giving people the choice

Thanks
Simon

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:53 am

list_lurker wrote:I'll try to get the bowcases made separate, thus giving people the choice

No! Too many bits

Strategos69 · Post by **Strategos69** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:29 am

philqw78 wrote:
list_lurker wrote:I'll try to get the bowcases made separate, thus giving people the choice
No! Too many bits

Old discussion. In my opinion the more options the better, but if you play very often they will probably end all over the place.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:29 pm

philqw78 wrote:
list_lurker wrote:I'll try to get the bowcases made separate, thus giving people the choice
No! Too many bits

I agree with Phil. Too many fiddly bits.

With respect to the horses, it's my impression that overly-stock for both people and horses is the current modelling fashion. (Note: the horses are, for me, one of the attractions of your miniatures.)

Here are pictures of the Caspian pony, one of the oldest breeds other than the Asiatic Wild Horse - note: not stocky:

http://www.caspianhorse.co.uk/ourHorses/shabdiz.html
http://www.caspianhorse.co.uk/ourHorses/nicky.html

The Asiatic Wild Horse is stocky, but was it the horse used by the Huns????

http://www.theequinest.com/breeds/przewalski/

Here's the Bashkir, a steppe and mountain breed. Is it stockier than the figures above??

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/bashkir/

Here's a picture of people playing the Afghan game of Buzkashi - note the horses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buzkashi_Game.jpg

As for the quivers, it doesn't matter to me - on the back, at the waist or on the horse. I expect there's a lot of variation in reality; just look at variations in soldiers in photos from the mid-19th century on compared to regulations or artistic renditions. I'm happy with allowing modelling interpretation.

And just to show that there are always surprises around the corner for those who are experts and feel they can state definitively (vs probably):

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... zxr1A5wryQ

tadamson · Post by **tadamson** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:15 pm

list_lurker wrote:I'll try to get the bowcases made separate, thus giving people the choice

Thanks
Simon

Huns are in a period moving from tubular to box quivers. All point up, all hung on the right hip from a belt.

I can't think of ANY source for a horse archer with a quiver on his back. Though dismounted archers often pulled the belt over the left shoulder, pulling the quiver up the back, to prevent it trailing on the ground (this is particularly common with, later, holster style quivers).

Hang them low on the right hip, with the top of the quiver below the riders waist.

Tom..