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Playing at Colonel as I figure thats the bench mark "level" - in my view it shouldn't be a walkover and any silly mistakes should be punished also prestige whilst not abundant should still leave you with some tough choices (elite reinforcements or a nice new shiny tank upgrade for example)
FOW, supply and weather all on of course.

Poznan:
Nice clear briefing and objectives

Nice to see you start with a towed AT unit and a Recon in your core force - 2 types I never used in PG or so far in PzC.

With my starting prestige and 4 remaining core slots I purchased 2 standard Infantry in trucks, a 10.5cm Art in trucks and a Panzer 38(t) all of which deployed as the northern strike force.

A nice little surprise to find half strength units at the front lines (and in other places too!) even nicer were the no ammo fighters and Anti-aircraft to the north.

I lost the Aux Pz IIs and almost lost several core units too when some Cavalry counter attacked with some tanks as well as the Polish bombers..Ouch!

All in all I never really felt like I was going to lose though the DV didn't look so clear cut until the end, IMO the right difficulty for colonel level and the 1st scenario (how demorilising would it be to lose the campaign on the 1st scenario!)

Decisive Victory achieved last turn (could have been turn 11 but I farmed for XP and kills)
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Danzig Corridor:
Brief and mission objective clear once more - Briefing says expect no POlish air, should I believe this?

I disbanded the ATs as towed versions are still useless!
With the free slot (and 1 extra granted) I purchased a second Pz 38(t) and a Bf110c - useful to help the fighter gain air superiority and strafe ground targets. I also upgrade the 7.5cm Art to 10.5 and gave trucks to all Inf lacking them.
After reinforcing all units back to 10 str (using elite) this left me with 281 prestige - not too shabby but not enough to upgrade my Pz Is to something more useful. Stil no OS.

The initial phase went smothly as my forces advanced that is until the Polish armoured counter attack acroos the Vistula river, ouch! Nearly lost several core units including one of my Pz38(t) and my PzIs were forced to stand toe to toe with enemy armour.....double ouch!

I'd say this one was slightly harder then the 1st scenario which makes sense as I'd hope scenarios get harder as the campaign progresses and again I never felt that a MV was anything but a guarentee though for a couple of turns after the counter attack I wasn't so sure on a DV. For Colonel level I'd say this feels right.

Decisive Victory achieved last turn though again I could have had one on turn 11 but chose to farm.

EDIT: I liked the addition of bridges as VHs - makes sense as these were often strtegically important
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Lodz:
Clear objectives again, liking the "keep at leat 3 aux units alive" part of the mission to get a DV, no more shall they be used as cannon fodder when required!

Didn't gain any more core slots so just elite reinforced everything including OS every unit. No upgrading either as didn't seem needed and why waste prestige upgrading Pz Is to Pz 38(t)s when in the near future I'll want IIIs and IVs?
This left me with about 700 presitge - not so bad

The mission itself was strait forward, managed to save all the Aux units though several were prety battered by time my core forces got involved!

Encircled Lodz from all sides and managed to capture the last hex on the last turn! Certainly a challenging scenario to get a DV, though I think I stalled myself a little with some poor choices and probably could have finished it earlier, again just about the right level of challenge especially trying to extract those 10th army units.

Theres a massive Polish force in the north including a 15str Cavalry (general something) which I discovered when I sent a few units to capture the city and airfield that scared the hell out of me, luckily they didn't do anything so I didn't need to tackle them! Also of note, the 2 bunkers near lodz never attacked even when I wan occuppying the city hex's next to them...perhaps they should be a bit more aggressive?

I alos wasted a core slot taking my fighters again....should have bought a bomber and left the trusty 109s in the hanger due to lack of POlish air - 1st instinct is to say that could have been mentioned in the mission brief however I didn't believe it last time so probably would have made the same choice anyhow.

By the end of the scenario every unit except my recon are on 225 XP (and the recon is on 220) and that seems a little good seeming its capped at that for the 39 campaign I assume? I can probbaly just use normal reinforcements now as long as the XP dont dip below 200 and save lots of presitige. Also I could just start overfilling my core slots and potentially get every unit upto 200 XP before I then move on to the 1940 campaign? Not sure the best solution to this but XP certainly seems to easy to earn onCOlonel level...

Also 3 scenarios in and not a single medal yet! Makes sense as if you play the long campain (1939-45 once its all out) You're not going to want all your heros by 1940! However what about those who just want to play a short campaign? Will they be deprived of heros and medals?

Decisive victory achieved last turn (this time no farming I was just slow!)
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Post by Longasc »

One of my Stuka got a medal and a hero in the next scenario.

I wonder if we can get "SE" units in this campaign, as I didn't get any so far but I also only played 4 or was it 5 scenarios so far.
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Longasc wrote:One of my Stuka got a medal and a hero in the next scenario.

I wonder if we can get "SE" units in this campaign, as I didn't get any so far but I also only played 4 or was it 5 scenarios so far.
Just got my 1st Heros in Piatek, and yes also have my 1st SE unit too!
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Definitely in the campaign - I got one on each of the first 2 scenarios. None since. It's just that luck thing. :)
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Piatek

A defensive scenario - thats a nice change of pace in the usual early war offensive missions!
Briefing clear enough again, hold the line!

Got my 1st SE unit - a Gebirgsjager in trucks
I also got 1 more core slot so Bought myself a 2nd Bf109e Fighter, not having any trouble in the air but thinking long term and a 2nd experienced fighter seems like a good idea and surely the Polish airforce has to make a return at some point?
I also bought a 3rd 10.5cm Art piece and a 3rd Pz38(t) that gives me 3 batle groups all with artillery and a decent tank. For this mission my 2 PzIs are in reserve. All units reinforced and over strengthed.

Well this had to have been the easiest mission so far. I took up defensive positions in the city VH's and behind the bridges, the plan to let them fall then retake them once the enemy has been thinned out.
1st wave wiped out fairly easily then after a couple of turns waiting I went on the offensive. There were 2 pockets of Polish troops in the north who hadn't advanced as far as I could see....in fairness I probably could have advanced on turn 1 as the Poles really weren't much of a threat (though I did lose 1 Aux AT unit)
Shouldn't all the Poles attack together? Or if you wanted them in 2 waves maybe bulk their forces out a little...this one really was too easy. Finished with plenty of Presitege too.

I did however get my 1st two Hero's, Hurah!!! However neither unit has a medal...working as intended?

Decisve victory - all poles wiped out by turn 17
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Kampinsoka

Clear objectives again and another diversion from normality - this time I have to destroy 12 of the troop trains to get a DV.

Got myself awarded some SE Wehr Infantry in trucks which is kinda nice but ultimately I like the SE tanks...
HAd a pretty hefty amoun tof Prestige left so went on a shopping spree - 1xBf109, 1xBf110, 1xPioniere, 1xPz38(t) and 3 Sturmpanzers all join up! It leaves me with 9 units in reserve but as the xp is capped and most of my units have reached the cap its not such a bad idea though it will slow down hero awarding.
This leave sme with the whooping amount of 27 Prestige, lets hope I dont take too heavy loses before I capture some objectives!

The mission itself was strait forward enough....flank round the forest to the north and south whilst another force goes head on to capture the objectives inside as well as hunt down those troop trains. It wasn't all too hard except Modlin fortress and its 3 20 strength (god only knows how strong they'll be on Manstein level!) well entrenched infantry......the good news is the fortress itself never fired once and I did manage to remove the Infantry and almost knocked out the fortress itself!

I did lose the aux Pionieres as well as all 3 Cavalry but they died on glorius battle!
And several core units took a beating but just hung on.

The only real disapointment was that while the destroy 12 trains for your DV seemed a novelty at 1st at the end of the day I would have done that anyway for the XP and kills.......

Decisive victory on the last turn - could have done it on turn 14 but I did a bit of farming again plus if I'd directed more forces to the final objective rather than hitting on Modlin I probablt could have done it sooner
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Modlin:
Clear enough objectives again, I must say Im enjoying not having to work out what turn to get a DV by counting back....this time round I have to destroy Modlin Fortress and HQ for a DV......hmmm again seems like a good idea but I'd probably have done so anyway!

Well prestige is tight as you like starting on this one....the last scenario spending splurge is still hurting! By time i've finished reinforcing and OS my units I have just enough left over for another Ju87b. Again I have 9 units in reserve as I attempt to 225 xp all my core.

Well the plan was simple and the executution worked without much in the way of problems. The one thorn was the armoured train that held position rater than moving into the open. Heavy fire from it broke up many an attack and left more than one of my units close to death. All in all though the poles lacked enough troops on the ground to capitilise on its deadly accurate fire and I slowly ground my way through to it.

The poles could definately use some more troops in this one and/or maybe less half strength units to start? After all surely the surprise has worn off by now? But in the end this scenario was just a bit too easy...Modlin fortress was harder to knock out in the original GC!

Decisive Victory achieved on last turn - could have had 1 a few turns earlier but went farming instead!
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Warsaw North
Had a choice on north or south - its the same scenario just diiferent deployment zones which is a nice touch as don't feel like I've missed out on anything. Chose north as looked the better bet.

Objectives strait forward and clear - capture Warsaw!

Prestige was really tight again so settled for reinforcing all my troops, couldn't use all my core anyway so no need to feel bad about not being able to afford anymore core troops.

The mission turned out strait forward enough, basically a meat grinder to clear the city whilst other units swung round capturing all the outlying non victory flags. And what a nice surprise - captured artilery! Shame I didn't get to keep any of it! Thats a great little touch.
Difficulty seemed about right for Colonel level as the last VH was taken with only a few turns to spare.
Finished with lots of prestige ready for the next mission.

Decisive Victory on turn 14
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Spoils of war
A nice little side step from reality and a strait forward dash and grab followed by oustin gthose dirty Ruskies from their defensive positions!

I had loads of prestige to start with (well over 2000) and stil have a vastly infalted core so after reinforcing my troosp I'm still left with lots of spare!

Nothing fancy here but a tatste of whats to come, my fighters actually had to fight to gain control of the skies and a nice little surprise (shock!) at the end when I had to tackle a KV2!!!!

Luckily the beast remained passive allowing me to hit it with well everthing I had!!! drained its ammo, lost tanks and SPAGs but I did manage to nail it winning the scenario quite comfortably. I have no idea what I'd have done if it'd come out to fight sooner with support!

Decisive Victory on turn 14
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Oslo
Ckear objectives again - this time I have to save the KMS Blucher...could be interesting.

I was awarded another SE inf which would make 3 so I disband it for some more prestige and with plenty in the bank I reinforce using elites again, upgrade 3 of my Pz38s to PzIIIs and but 2 Ju88As my level bomber of choice so they can start building XP.

For the 1st time I had some pretty rubbish weather with lots of rain and mud, which was a shame as I went quite air heavy due to the narrow advances available for the ground troops it didn't seem prudent to overload with too many of them! Even with this the scenario was easy, possibly the easiest so far but as the 1st amphibious invasion of the game I think that may be intentional because that combined with the mud and rain could really throw a novice player (and I am on Colonel remember - the default level)

Saving the Blucher proved a touch simple - level bombers pounded at the forts whilst Bluchers guns knobbled a few hits until the infantry arrived and wiped them out easily. Blucher lost 1 step all mission.

I was surprised by the total lack of enemy air power - I still remember Norway in PG being the 1st time you actually had to fight for control of the skies rather than have it handed to you on a plate! Though I am led to believe that some allied air will be added?

Despite having next to no prestige left at the start (2 new bombers) I still have a greatly inflated core force so have to agree with the decision to reduce prestige awards downwards....afterall I have 11 spare units and have used pretty much nothing but elite replacements so far and even on colonel thats a touch to easy!

This scenario definately needs some allied air power and a buff of the Norwegian ground forces

Decisive victory on turn 10
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The weather and the fuel cost on frozen terrain will be even more significant in Lillehammer, though for some reason I had better weather than in Oslo. The Norway scenarios are very unpredictable in that matter.

Regarding disbanding the third SE unit over and over for prestige it's a bit playing the system but please don't see this as an accusation but as a criticism of the system how SE units are awarded. It's totally random and the "disband the third SE unit for Prestige" tactic that developed out of it is giving us rather experienced players an additional edge we really don't need.

While Joe Average who doesn't read forums still wonders how SE units get awarded till he figures out he just has to reload before the next scenario till he gets one.


P.S. looking forward to your 40 campaign and wonder how our experiences will be different! I started with the 1940 campaign core from scratch. This means I have a Panzer IVD but only one Stuka instead of three and no level bombers for example, plus no SE units.

Eben-Emael will blow you away! A wonderful scenario. More difficult than the 1939 campaign for sure, too. I really had to punch through the fortifications at one point rather than destroying the whole line. So you basically break through from Eben Emael and take the rear objectives, leaving the fortifications behind. I am not finished yet but it is already my favorite scenario so far!
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Longasc wrote:The weather and the fuel cost on frozen terrain will be even more significant in Lillehammer, though for some reason I had better weather than in Oslo. The Norway scenarios are very unpredictable in that matter.

Regarding disbanding the third SE unit over and over for prestige it's a bit playing the system but please don't see this as an accusation but as a criticism of the system how SE units are awarded. It's totally random and the "disband the third SE unit for Prestige" tactic that developed out of it is giving us rather experienced players an additional edge we really don't need.

While Joe Average who doesn't read forums still wonders how SE units get awarded till he figures out he just has to reload before the next scenario till he gets one.


P.S. looking forward to your 40 campaign and wonder how our experiences will be different! I started with the 1940 campaign core from scratch. This means I have a Panzer IVD but only one Stuka instead of three and no level bombers for example, plus no SE units.

Eben-Emael will blow you away! A wonderful scenario. More difficult than the 1939 campaign for sure, too. I really had to punch through the fortifications at one point rather than destroying the whole line. So you basically break through from Eben Emael and take the rear objectives, leaving the fortifications behind. I am not finished yet but it is already my favorite scenario so far!
To be far to myself I'm only disbanding the 3rd SE unit in the hope I get a tank! Once I have one another SE infantry will go so I can get another tank...I like 2 SE tanks and 1 Inf so will manipulate the system till I get one, the extra prestige is a bonus really (though certainly one I dont need!)
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Lillehammer
Strait forward victory conditions this time..take everything!

Not a lot to spend my prestige on this time round - upgrade 3 Inf (including my SE) to Grenadiers. Gain yet another SE inf so sell that as I stiill want 2 tanks! Other than that elite replacements and OS all round still leaving me well over 1000 in the bank...

Frozen terrian slowed me down a touch but really ended up more useful to deterent as I was able to cross the rivers without issue! Probably half the game was spent with snow and that did hurt (more than the lone Hurricane that came to challenge my control of the skies!) but all in all not too difficult.

The Norwegians could do with a few more ground troops and maybe the troops that came from the north could appear a bit sooner, still too many str 5 troops around to make it truly challenging.

Decisive victory achieved on turn 10
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Post by Horseman »

I was going to continue with this into the 1940 campaign to se how it went but with all the changes it seems rather pointless, after all I'll still have a way inflated corp force and lots of prestige so womnt be able to say if its balanced!

So I'm going to restart and will also start a new thread detailing how I think the changes have worked out.
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Post by Longasc »

I think this is a sound plan, kudos for testing the very same scenarios again!
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Longasc wrote:I think this is a sound plan, kudos for testing the very same scenarios again!
Whilst I was looking forward to seeing the 1940 campaign as well as the last 1939 mission playing it over seems like the best choice.

The price of getting to be a beta tester and therefore being able to play sooner? Having to play over and over and over....anyone else feel like we're mugging the Devs? :D
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