Reforming a split BG

[lawrenceg]

We had a BG of LF that evaded and could not fully interpenetrate other friends. They ended up split with some beyond and some in front of the friends.

In one case it was an enemy BG that evaded in my turn.

The rules say you can reform in either player's manouvre phase.

For a split BG, you reform AFTER you move.

As you can't move in the opponent's turn does this prevent a split BG reforming in the opponent's turn?

In view of the inconvenience of split groups, any chance of simply allowing them to keep going until they all complete the interpenetration?

[rbodleyscott]

We had a BG of LF that evaded and could not fully interpenetrate other friends. They ended up split with some beyond and some in front of the friends.

In one case it was an enemy BG that evaded in my turn.

The rules say you can reform in either player's manouvre phase.

For a split BG, you reform AFTER you move.

As you can't move in the opponent's turn does this prevent a split BG reforming in the opponent's turn?

If due to a partial interpenetration, yes it does.

In view of the inconvenience of split groups, any chance of simply allowing them to keep going until they all complete the interpenetration?

We have considered this possibility.

[petedalby]

In view of the inconvenience of split groups, any chance of simply allowing them to keep going until they all complete the interpenetration?



We have considered this possibility.

I think this would be a very postive change. Allowing LF to clear all friends would take them further away, and therefore out the action for longer.

It would also simplify things greatly on the table. You can get some weird formations when interpenetrating BGs of different depths.

Pete

[hammy]

In view of the inconvenience of split groups, any chance of simply allowing them to keep going until they all complete the interpenetration?



We have considered this possibility.

I think this would be a very postive change. Allowing LF to clear all friends would take them further away, and therefore out the action for longer.

It would also simplify things greatly on the table. You can get some weird formations when interpenetrating BGs of different depths.

Pete

But it makes them harder to trap and kill.

LF are already vry good value for money and if you have a rule that means if any of the BG gets to ro beyond friends the whole BG gets there it makes them almost unkillable except by your own missile troops.

Hammy

[sagji]

Possibly then none should pass through - stopping just before the other unit.
This has benefits - harder to use LH as bait & switch, blocked fleeing troups are more likely to be caught by persuers who then fight the blockers.

[rogerg]

All or none, this seems like an excellent idea. It puts the onus on the owning player to organise his lines properly and makes for a very clean solution with no mixed groups. It also feels correct. When the interpenetrators are coming from a long way back, or are trying to go through a very deep formation, they will have the greatest difficulty. I cannot think of any down side to this.

Roger

[dave_r]

Possibly then none should pass through

I much prefer this idea. This only occurs if it is not possible for the LH to fuly interpenetrate the troops in front - consider the following scenario:

You could put a "heavy" unit so that the LH partially evades - thus disordering the unit. Since your opponent charged in the movement phase you would "re-organise" the light horse in your opponents move. Since there is a unit of troops directly in front of your heavy unit then they are fairly safe. In your turn then you get to bolster the disordered unit before your opponent can do anything and the light horse have got away scott free, despite being in an awkward situation.

Much prefer Sadji's solution.

[rbodleyscott]

You could put a "heavy" unit so that the LH partially evades - thus disordering the unit. Since your opponent charged in the movement phase you would "re-organise" the light horse in your opponents move. Since there is a unit of troops directly in front of your heavy unit then they are fairly safe. In your turn then you get to bolster the disordered unit before your opponent can do anything and the light horse have got away scott free, despite being in an awkward situation.

Hardly.

If a LH BG partially evades through (bursts through) a "heavy" BG, not only is the heavy BG disrupted but the LH is destroyed!

[petedalby]

All or none, this seems like an excellent idea. It puts the onus on the owning player to organise his lines properly and makes for a very clean solution with no mixed groups. It also feels correct. When the interpenetrators are coming from a long way back, or are trying to go through a very deep formation, they will have the greatest difficulty. I cannot think of any down side to this.

The original suggestion related to LF - not LH.

I think this is a great proposal. It stops bizarre interpenetrations and delivers on Hammy's desire to catch evading LF. They can already add 2 MU to clear - if they still can't get through make them suffer!

Pete