Oxford Doubles - 3rd/4th September 2011

johngl · Post by **johngl** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:23 pm

So, what happened? Who won?

quackstheking · Post by **quackstheking** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:26 pm

Can't remember the full results, but the top 4 were:-

1st - Alasdair Harley - Dagestan Devils (somewhere in the Caucasus!) - 1630
2nd - Bob Medcraft & Andy Kitcher - Later Swedish - 1682
3rd - Ben Jones & Kevin Johnson - Anglo Dutch in Ireland (but mainly consisting of Superior Danish 6 musket bayonet Battlegroups!) - 1691
4th - Steve Hammond & Jo Strait - Swiss (no concertina's here just gorgeously painted elite Keils!) - 1500

I'm sure the official results will be posted soon. Just a tip - don't all rush out to buy a Dagestani Army (even if Khurasanian produce the figures). It's not a "super Army" - just another pile of crud in the hands of a bloody good FOGR player!

On a personal basis thanks to all our opponents which saw Jim and my mainly mounted Royalists take on Alasdair's Dagestani's Devils, Ben & Kevin's Turnips - oops sorry -Swedes, Dave and Chris's 20 Battlegroup Peasant Army monster and Charles and Richard's Late C17th dandy dude French (with 2 units using stolen Royalist standards!).

Great fun all round and a very well run event (even with Oxford club dubiously rigging the round 2 draw!). We didn't threaten the prize rostrum despite a very close run 12-8 defeat to Alasdair!. Our claim to fame is therefore we took more points off the winner than anyone else!

Great to see even more teams in 2012.

One day, we'll get to face the "Madaxeman" so we can feature in an online published (hopefully victorious) battle!!!

Don

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:57 pm

A tremendous weekend with a scratch army - army lists already posted on my site. Ticked off all the key boxes for a comp in Abingdon;

1. Rode over some enemy foote with the Winged Hussars
2. Lost to Alasdair
3. Had one game with luck on our side
4. Had one game without it ...
5. Lost the Average Horse 4 times out of 4
6. Drank a pint of Hen
7. faced off against a 21 BG army !

marvellous - roll on Reading.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:28 pm

madaxeman wrote: 6. Drank a pint of Hen

For good cluck?

viking123 · Post by **viking123** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:29 pm

Well I hope these are worth waiting for!!

If I had my way I would have put the restriction on Oxford players playing each other all the way through the competition. Lucky Alasdair gave me a 22 - 3 point teaching lesson.

The results will be on the BHGS website soon properly formatted.

Bob

Team Number Player Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Total
Opp Score Opp Score Opp Score Opp Score Score
5 Alasdair Harley 6 12 9 23 3 23 8 22 80
8 Andy Kitcher/Bob Medcraft 7 24 2 12 10 16 5 3 55
10 Ben Jones/Kevin Johnson 9 17 6 19 8 9 1 9 54
1 Steve Hammond/Jo Stait 2 9 3 11 7 20 10 11 51
3 Dave Parish/Paddy Bray 4 17 1 9 5 2 9 13 41
9 Tim Porter/Martin Van Tol 10 8 1 2 4 24 3 7 41
2 Dave Allen/Chris 1 11 8 8 6 9 4 10 38
6 Don Avis/Jim Gibson 5 8 10 6 2 11 7 13 38
7 Rich. Young/Charles Masefield 8 1 4 21 1 5 6 7 34
4 Adrian Steer/Roger Greenwood 3 3 7 4 9 1 2 10 18

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:54 pm

5 Alasdair Harley 6 12 9 23 3 23 8 22 80 Dagestan 1630
8 Andy Kitcher/Bob Medcraft 7 24 2 12 10 16 5 3 55 Later Swedish 1682
10 Ben Jones/Kevin Johnson 9 17 6 19 8 9 1 9 54 Anglo-Dutch 1691
1 Steve Hammond/Jo Stait 2 9 3 11 7 20 10 11 51 Swiss 1500
3 Dave Parish/Paddy Bray 4 17 1 9 5 2 9 13 41 Ming Chinese 1585
9 Tim Porter/Martin Van Tol 10 8 1 2 4 24 3 7 41Habsburg Austrian Imperial 1683
2 Dave Allen/Chris 1 11 8 8 6 9 4 10 38 Peasant Wars 1514
6 Don Avis/Jim Gibson 5 8 10 6 2 11 7 13 38 Later ECW Royalist 1644
7 Rich. Young/Charles Masefield 8 1 4 21 1 5 6 7 34 Later Louis XIV French 1678
4 Adrian Steer/Roger Greenwood 3 3 7 4 9 1 2 10 18 Early Thirty Years War German Protestant 1621

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:03 pm

madaxeman wrote:A tremendous weekend with a scratch army - army lists already posted on my site.

Nice. Always good to see. I don't believe the Caucasian States can have LF in groups of 4 though, I guess those are meant to be 6s?

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:37 pm

So what is the secret with the Dagestan army ?

Care to share for us who favour cavalry Alasdair ?

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:00 pm

The Dagestani list from the Madaxeman:

Dagestani Caucasian States
4 TCs
8 MF, Light Spear, Sword Mad Warriors
8 MF, Light Spear, Sword Mad Warriors
Average Swedish Brigade with a Gun

4 LH with Bow and Sword
4 LH with Bow and Sword
6 LF with Muskets
6 LF with Muskets
6 LF with Muskets
6 LF with Muskets
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Pistol, Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Pistol, Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Pistol, Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Pistol, Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Pistol, Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Pistol, Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Bow Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Bow Sword

I guess they won by pretending to be Swedes

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:06 pm

Delbruck wrote:The Dagestani list from the Madaxeman:

Dagestani Caucasian States
4 TCs
8 MF, Light Spear, Sword Mad Warriors
8 MF, Light Spear, Sword Mad Warriors
Average Swedish Brigade with a Gun
<snip>

I guess they won by pretending to be Swedes

That's hilarious.

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:16 pm

Delbruck wrote:Dagestani Caucasian States

4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Bow Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Bow Sword

BTW, the bow armed amoured must be cavalry, not horse.

alasdair2204 · Post by **alasdair2204** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:31 pm

Delbruck wrote:
Delbruck wrote:Dagestani Caucasian States

4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Bow Sword
4 Horse, Superior, Armoured, Bow Sword

BTW, the bow armed amoured must be cavalry, not horse.

The bow armed were cavalry and there were no Swedes of any sort involved, it was extremely fun to play, I suppose the major advantage is just the manouvreabilty of the army allowing you to put a lot of pressure whereever you wanted, it isn't particularly balanced and would suffer against massed pike and shot, though to be fair I didn't fight any of those at the weekend. To win with mounted I think you need to be flexible as possible as in a straight fight you will normally lose to pike and shot, you need to use your speed as much as possible, which means only closing within 6 inches (ie you lose your ability to march move) when you are going to commit to combat, always put your generals in if you need to win a combat (yes I do lose a few) and also accept loses to ty up the rest of the enemy army whilst you win somewhere else.

Well thats what I try to do anyway

Now will someone tell me what you do with foot

cheers

Alasdair

youngr · Post by **youngr** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:03 pm

Delbruck wrote:5 Alasdair Harley 6 12 9 23 3 23 8 22 80 Dagestan 1630
8 Andy Kitcher/Bob Medcraft 7 24 2 12 10 16 5 3 55 Later Swedish 1682
10 Ben Jones/Kevin Johnson 9 17 6 19 8 9 1 9 54 Anglo-Dutch 1691
1 Steve Hammond/Jo Stait 2 9 3 11 7 20 10 11 51 Swiss 1500
3 Dave Parish/Paddy Bray 4 17 1 9 5 2 9 13 41 Ming Chinese 1585
9 Tim Porter/Martin Van Tol 10 8 1 2 4 24 3 7 41Habsburg Austrian Imperial 1683
2 Dave Allen/Chris 1 11 8 8 6 9 4 10 38 Peasant Wars 1514
6 Don Avis/Jim Gibson 5 8 10 6 2 11 7 13 38 Later ECW Royalist 1644
7 Rich. Young/Charles Masefield 8 1 4 21 1 5 6 7 34 Later Louis XIV French 1678
4 Adrian Steer/Roger Greenwood 3 3 7 4 9 1 2 10 18 Early Thirty Years War German Protestant 1621

Excellent weekend but you missed off one player - my son Thomas Young at his first tournament! We didn't do too well though we was sooo close to destroying one of those Swiss keils. We stayed at the Doghouse Inn which now seems quite appropriate....

Richard

khurasan_miniatures · Post by **khurasan_miniatures** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:20 pm

quackstheking wrote:I'm sure the official results will be posted soon. Just a tip - don't all rush out to buy a Dagestani Army (even if Khurasanian produce the figures). It's not a "super Army" - just another pile of crud in the hands of a bloody good FOGR player!

Having invested about $3,000 in making the range, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this tip!

Vespasian28 · Post by **Vespasian28** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:25 pm

quackstheking wrote:
I'm sure the official results will be posted soon. Just a tip - don't all rush out to buy a Dagestani Army (even if Khurasanian produce the figures). It's not a "super Army" - just another pile of crud in the hands of a bloody good FOGR player!

Having invested about $3,000 in making the range, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this tip!

Excellent, I really needed a good laugh

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:06 pm

khurasan_miniatures wrote:
quackstheking wrote:I'm sure the official results will be posted soon. Just a tip - don't all rush out to buy a Dagestani Army (even if Khurasanian produce the figures). It's not a "super Army" - just another pile of crud in the hands of a bloody good FOGR player!
Having invested about $3,000 in making the range, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this tip!

Don't worry Mr. K., I think we listen to the results more than the tips