More weather uncertainty in USSR

[gerones]

I believe we should come back to 25% fair weather chance in november in Northern Europe like before. Soviets become too confident about the weather right in 20 october turn in 1941 (see my AAR against Mikko) and they start advancing to axis lines because they now for sure that november is a 100% bad weather month for the germans. We need some uncertainty for the soviets in november otherwise this is excessively predictable and easy for the soviets.

[gerones]

We could do the following:

1. To include again a 25% chance of fair weather in november in Northern Europe
2. To remove severe winter chance in november so a fair weather turn in october in Northern Europe cannot be followed by an inmediate severe winter turn in november (this happened to me 1 time)

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I think Plaid (being a Russian) has to answer if the Russians had severe winter in November during the real war.

I think we could maybe reduce the percentage chance from 25% to maybe 10%. Based on the weather data from Moscow it seems that they sometimes had really cold novembers.

The chance for fair weather in November in Russia was rather slim so maybe we could instead do the following.
November mud (40%), November winter (50%), November fair (10%). That means we drop the mud chance by 10% to give a slight chance for fair weather.

Clever Axis players will use November to dig-in and only fight on to take the final cities if they're within grasp. If you attack all out on November and get severe winter in December then you can blame nobody, but yourself.

[PionUrpo]

Operation Uranus, the encirclement of Stalingrad, began in late November. AFAIK the conditions were pretty 'blizzard'-like.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Severe winter is deep snow and freezing cold. Blizzards often occured, but it was hard to attack during them because you didn't have air support. One of the main reasons that the severe winter hit the Germans so hard was that the German vehicles couldn't operate because the lucricants in the engines froze. Russian vehicles were designed to sustain such cold weather. The German soldiers died from frostbite as well.

So you can actually have sunshine during the severe winter. In the Arctic climate the coldest temperatures often occured during "fair" weather with few clouds. The main reason is that clouds work as a kind of insulation so the temperatures get higher.

So severe winter is not only blizzards, but also freezing cold.

[PionUrpo]

Fair enough, a quick glance over few googled sites seems to indicate record low's for November don't go much below -20 C in European Russia and not very often in any case.

Perhaps same weather percentages for November that are currently in effect for April and 10/15 % for SW?

[gerones]

Mud 40%, winter 50%, fair 10% and severe winter 10% in november in northern Europe seems right. If everybody likes this change too, of course.

[JimR]

On the face of it, this suggestion sounds OK.